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vsmfloridafb

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...Klitschko-Joshua was probably the best heavyweight fight in the past dozen years or so. Two big bulls showing a lot of skills but still managing to throw a lot of heat and show physical and mental toughness. 


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Who won?
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Watch and Find out JD... LOL

Joshua won by an 11th round TKO... Put Klitschko down 3 times in that round with some amazing boxing and timed shots.

Klitschko deserves a lot of credit though.  At 41 he still fought like a champ and battled back from a knockdown in the 5th.  Even Knocked down Joshua in the 6th.
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Klitsche didn't just knock him down, he gave him the "Finish Him" punch and somehow the kid got up. Still took him two rounds to recover. 
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Its a good season for boxing

porter/berto, jousha/vald, alverez/castro, spence/brooks
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Yeah, couple of nice fights. Hoping Chavez can end Chickenelo's reign of avoidance. 
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http://www.badlefthook.com/2017/5/1/15505918/canelo-vs-chavez-jr-watch-the-full-hbo-face-off-interview

The face-off was pretty good. I love how Canelo tries to act like he can't speak English. Chavez does a decent job of mocking him. God I hope he comes into this fight motivated and ready to scrap. 

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Don't get your hopes up for JCC. Canelo should dispatch him quickly and viciously. Chavez lost it for me when Fonfara pounded him into quitting on his stool.

Joshua/Klitschko was entertaining once they got past the pitty pat of the first 3 rounds. Vlad finally found someone who could make him pay for swinging that left around like a toddler with a wiffle bat. He was still in it til that uppercut almost Neganed his head.

Not sure why AJ wasted time calling out Fury. Chances they'll ever fight are about the same as Hooters serving buffalo tofu. He needs to be more worried about Wilder, Joseph Parker, or King Kong Ortiz. Those guys are all big too and won't throw one punch at a time like AJ did. Overly muscled guys like Joshua make me nervous and remind me of Frank Bruno.
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Joshua got way more skills than Bruno.

I would have to favor him over Wilder to be honest.  But I think if they wait a fight or 2 and Wilder goes and takes down 2 UK best they could have a super HWY UNification bout in Vegas. 
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Wilder doesn't have the skills to hang with Joshua right now. Power? Sure, if he connects with one of those silly looking overhand punches but otherwise he should focus on a couple of things in his next few fights so he isn't the next Michael Grant. 
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Most sensible observation is that both Joshua and WIlder have strengths and flaws. Wilder is a better boxer, Joshua a better puncher.
But Joshua better work on his stamina...had he not faced a guy who was also gassed, he wouldn't have made it past that 6th round.

Joshua is undoubtedly a better fighter than Bruno. The comparison I was trying to make is that they are/were both heavily muscled, and that type of shredded physique is counterintuitive to the skill set necessary to be an elite fighter, namely the fast twitch muscles to land quick and effective jabs. Last guy besides Joshua who was a top shelf heavyweight sporting a carved out of stone body was Ike Ibeabuchi, who would've likely won a title and laid out all in his path had he not spent the last 15+ years in prison.

Nice comparison to Michael Grant, I had forgotten about him. As did everyone else.
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Most sensible observation is that both Joshua and WIlder have strengths and flaws. Wilder is a better boxer, Joshua a better puncher. But Joshua better work on his stamina...had he not faced a guy who was also gassed, he wouldn't have made it past that 6th round.

Wilder is neither a better boxer, nor puncher than Joshua. He's not as refined in any area compared to Joshua. I like Wilder, I just don't see this good or great boxer. Has Wilder landed a body punch in the past five years?

Stamina is fine. He's a heavyweight. By the time two guys weighing 240+ go past the middle rounds they are going to be on reserves. He got hit by a knockout shot from the elite heavyweight of the era. Got up off the mat, was smart enough to survive the next two rounds to get his bearings and got Klitschko in trouble and, most importantly, he finished him. His stamina is fine. He never been past 7, went 11 and won the late rounds.

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Gotta agree with VSM, Wilder definitely is not a better boxer.  He throws Haymakers doesn't go to the body and sometimes does not use his head (bob and weave).

I like him but I too don't see great "boxer" yet. 
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So both Chavez and Canelo weighed in at 164.

Chavez looked better than I expected. Not at all as skeletal as I thought and he seemed in good spirits. Crowd went crazy for him and booed Canelo, continuing the narrative that real Mexican fighters and fight fans hate the phony.

Still no reason Canelo shouldn't win tomorrow by my mouth to God's ears...this is the one time I hope Chavez doesn't get his block knocked off.

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Thank the good lord for Kodi. Anyone who paid for this has to feel like they had their kidney stolen. Can't remember the last time I saw such a one sided fight.
Canelo may have had the easiest fight of his career there. Even the guys he's knocked out put up more resistance.
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The only good thing to come from this fight was that it was so bad Saul and Golden Boy were guilted into making a deal with GGG immediately as to not let the negative press roll. 

I'll never understand Chavez. If there was ever a time to go down on the shield it was this time. Fight answered nothing. Still don't know if Saul has the power to contend at 160, we don't know if he can take punches from a true middleweight. We don't know if he can fight on an even playing field -- he's either had guys like Khan and Beefy move up past their comfortable weights or guys like Chavez, who fought at light heavyweight last, drained past their comfort level. 

Clearly I think the plan (hope) was that Chavez would look good losing and they could run the fight back again and force GGG to take another fight and get older but when Chavez doesn't want to try, you aren't going to make him try. 

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VSM, you know that deal wasn't made immediately. They had apparently finalized it days before. That was obvious by the WWE style walkout Golovkin did after the fight. Nothing spontaneous about that silliness. Triple G my azz, that was some Triple H action right there lol.

I don't see Canelo as being scared of GGG. Whole thing was straight up Dodgeball -- dodge, dip, duck, dive, and dodge -- by both boxers and/or promoters. Misdirection at every bend in the road.

Golovkin looked VERY vulnerable against Jacobs. Would not have surprised me if that fight had been a split decision or even a draw. Canelo has enough power and speed to rattle the Russian. Weight shouldn't be an issue since he probably has fought at a virtual middleweight level after food and water pre-fight.

That said, one of these cats is gonna get his lights turned OUT. These dudes don't back up and don't fight like they're on a punch count...and they don't subscribe to the less is more mentality like Erislandy Lara, Guillermo Rigondeaux, or a certain welterweight who retired a minute ago. Pretty sure I won't fall asleep a half dozen times for this one like I did Saturday.

Some real excitement coming up in the future. Bud Crawford gets to tuck someone else in (god I love watching this kid), rematches of both Kovalev-Ward and Stevenson-Fonfara, and relevancy in the heavyweight division again. Thought I was gonna have to set sail on this flawed sport, but I guess now I just have to hope that all the old and stupid judges hurry up and croak so some guys with decent eyesight start scoring fights.
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I will have VSm on Kodi real soon
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May was a pretty strong month for boxing.

Errol Spence proved Floyd right when he said he was the best at 147. I think he would smoke Keith Thurman despite how much I like "one time".

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I agree... Spence appears to be the class at 147
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