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YODA MASTER

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Brock is a wussy.... Jones knocks him out.
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LOL. Love Jon Jones. But he would have his hands full. Brock is a better wrestler and 70 lbs heavier in reality. He probably cuts from about 295 to 265. Jones walks around at 225ish.

Brock would overwhelm him. Now he could get caught with a nasty kick. Just ask Rhonda Rousey, I mean DC, about that. But Brock's a huge man. Will take a lot to rock him.
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I think Brock has a soft chin
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Hopefully we'll see. And  Cain Velasquez hits a hell of a lot harder than Jon Jones.
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Hopefully we'll see. And  Cain Velasquez hits a hell of a lot harder than Jon Jones.


Idk why we'd assume that. Cain also doesn't have Jon's kicks, and Jon would have a reach advantage against Lesnar. I don't think JJ would struggle with Lesnar at all. At the end of the day, Brock has only won 5 of his 9 pro fights. Barely half.
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Bones Jones is one of the best fighters I've ever seen in the Octagon and has way better technique than Lesnar. But if he gets hit by a guy that much bigger or they go ground, that's a lot of weight to try and be slippery with.
I don't have a lot to go on with BL in MMA. Only fight I've seen of his was w/Yoda at the Dog, when Overeem slept him. And that was because Lesnar rushed back too fast after abdominal surgery.
Really a pointless fight from a competitive standpoint. But money wise, you can't make a better matchup that will create PPV buy.
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Jon Jones will beat the urine out of Brock Lesnar. He'll just punish him with oblique kicks and body kicks every time he gets close. Yoda is right (shockingly) that Brock has a weak chin and HATES to get hit. But even worse, he has a VERY tender body because of that year-long issue with diverticulitis that he is always concerned about, rightfully so. When Overeem sent him to retirement the first time it was with a nasty kick to the liver that shut him down. Jones is a master of the body kicks. He wore DC out with them and he'll wear anyone out with him that's going to come at him straight forward.

The more versatile heavyweights like Miocic and Cain and even JDS would fare much better. 

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BROCK!! Don't be shocked.
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Jon Jones will beat the urine out of Brock Lesnar. He'll just punish him with oblique kicks and body kicks every time he gets close. Yoda is right (shockingly) that Brock has a weak chin and HATES to get hit. But even worse, he has a VERY tender body because of that year-long issue with diverticulitis that he is always concerned about, rightfully so. When Overeem sent him to retirement the first time it was with a nasty kick to the liver that shut him down. Jones is a master of the body kicks. He wore DC out with them and he'll wear anyone out with him that's going to come at him straight forward.

The more versatile heavyweights like Miocic and Cain and even JDS would fare much better. 



I really think they only guy in the UFC right now who has a good chance of beating JJ is Gustafsson. I really believe you have to be as long as Bones in order to beat him. DC actually did a decent job at times getting inside and landing on Jones but couldn't do any lasting damage. Further, Jon's grappling is extremely underrated. Stipe would present a big challenge, but even Stipe is surrendering 4.5 inches of reach, and Stipe fights at ~240lbs. I think the difference between e and Jon the night of the fight might be in the neighborhood of only 10 or 15 lbs, which I think is about the difference between Cain and Brock when they fought. You gotta think, Fedor became the greatest HWT of all time fighting around 235ish. Stipe has some legit boxing for MMA and I think he could punch his way in in a boxing match, but Jon is so good at those front kicks to the thigh and to the sternum, like ol Muay Thai teep kicks, using them like a jab to keep the fight at his preferred range. Idk how Stipe would handle that and frankly I don't think Stipe could get the fight to the ground (and I'm not certain that he would even want to!)
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Would have loved a Fedor-Jones fight about 5 or 6 years ago. Fedor is 40 and although a complete bad a$$, he is just a normal sized guy. Jones would kick him to sleep now. Brock, with his overwhelming strength, has a great chance to take Jones down and dominate him with size and strength and his gigantic mits.
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Would have loved a Fedor-Jones fight about 5 or 6 years ago. Fedor is 40 and although a complete bad a$$, he is just a normal sized guy. Jones would kick him to sleep now. Brock, with his overwhelming strength, has a great chance to take Jones down and dominate him with size and strength and his gigantic mits.


I just don't see Brock getting Jones to the ground. He's big, sure, but Jon is crazy strong, excellent at using leverage, the whole deal. He hit a crazy super duck on Dan Henderson on a grappling match.

This is the wrestling coach in me but I would pay PPV to see a Jones/Lesnar folkstyle wrestling match. I think that Jones, with a full camp of preparing and lifting and eating for HWT would only be surrendering about 30 lbs, which is a lot, but Ohio State's Kyle Snyder weighed 226 the first time he won the 285 weight class NCAA championship, the lightest wrestler in the field.

Also, even if Brock COULD get Jon down, I really don't think Brock would get much done. Jon has a great guard and I think he'd control posture to mitigate the damage Brock can do and work his advantage in grappling.
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I caught that backhanded compliment VSM. Wait till next time I see you on the field. I got a lil' sumpin for ya.
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I caught that backhanded compliment VSM. Wait till next time I see you on the field. I got a lil' sumpin for ya.


Given you're 5-foot-1 on a good day I wouldn't expect a big sumpin [smile]

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I just don't see Brock getting Jones to the ground. He's big, sure, but Jon is crazy strong, excellent at using leverage, the whole deal. He hit a crazy super duck on Dan Henderson on a grappling match. This is the wrestling coach in me but I would pay PPV to see a Jones/Lesnar folkstyle wrestling match. I think that Jones, with a full camp of preparing and lifting and eating for HWT would only be surrendering about 30 lbs, which is a lot, but Ohio State's Kyle Snyder weighed 226 the first time he won the 285 weight class NCAA championship, the lightest wrestler in the field. Also, even if Brock COULD get Jon down, I really don't think Brock would get much done. Jon has a great guard and I think he'd control posture to mitigate the damage Brock can do and work his advantage in grappling.


That's the thing, Jones is a elite-level grappler. He did those grappling matches while he was under suspension and the movement and defensive tactics he used on the ground were solid. And in UFC rules he's doing that while providing a constant threat of using his legs to get a triangle. 
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I just don't see Brock getting Jones to the ground. He's big, sure, but Jon is crazy strong, excellent at using leverage, the whole deal. He hit a crazy super duck on Dan Henderson on a grappling match. This is the wrestling coach in me but I would pay PPV to see a Jones/Lesnar folkstyle wrestling match. I think that Jones, with a full camp of preparing and lifting and eating for HWT would only be surrendering about 30 lbs, which is a lot, but Ohio State's Kyle Snyder weighed 226 the first time he won the 285 weight class NCAA championship, the lightest wrestler in the field. Also, even if Brock COULD get Jon down, I really don't think Brock would get much done. Jon has a great guard and I think he'd control posture to mitigate the damage Brock can do and work his advantage in grappling.


Good points, but I'd think Brock, the two-time NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion would have an advantage over Jones in that dept. Jones has a big advantage in the stand up game with his precision strikes, speed, and lethal kicks. But if Brock gets him to the ground, especially mulitple times, I think its over. He's too big and strong. Where he has gotten in trouble is with big, accurate, heavyweight strikers that he couldn't bully with his size and strength, like Overeem, Cain, etc. 
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Y'all got this size thing overrated. If you put Yoda in a ring with VSM or Bocephus--I think I have an excellent Vance of winning on these three things--they're slower, both my hands are deadly, and I have more heart.
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Good points, but I'd think Brock, the two-time NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion would have an advantage over Jones in that dept. Jones has a big advantage in the stand up game with his precision strikes, speed, and lethal kicks. But if Brock gets him to the ground, especially mulitple times, I think its over. He's too big and strong. Where he has gotten in trouble is with big, accurate, heavyweight strikers that he couldn't bully with his size and strength, like Overeem, Cain, etc. 


It isn't the wrestling so much as the Brazilian ji-jitsu. Brock rushed Frank Mir in his first match, took him down, roughed him up, they had to stand (ref said Brock hit him with a rabbit punch) and Brock knocked him down again and then got caught with a kneebar because he left himself open with bad positioning.

Brock could have top position and still be at a disadvantage because he doesn't have the BJJ skills to hang with someone like Jones.



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But that was his first fight over 10 years ago. He's progressed since then. Look, I'm not saying Jones isn't the favorite, but don't be surprised if Brock overwhelms him. Now if it goes past a 2 rounds, Brock will gas and he'll have zero chance. 
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But that was his first fight over 10 years ago. He's progressed since then. Look, I'm not saying Jones isn't the favorite, but don't be surprised if Brock overwhelms him. Now if it goes past a 2 rounds, Brock will gas and he'll have zero chance. 


He's had seven fights and a six-year retirement in that span. It's not like he's on an MMA schedule and been training with top-level BJJ guys over the past 10 years.

However little he's progressed he hasn't progressed anywhere near the level of Jones to contend with his ji-jitsu skills. 

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He's had seven fights and a six-year retirement in that span. It's not like he's on an MMA schedule and been training with top-level BJJ guys over the past 10 years.

However little he's progressed he hasn't progressed anywhere near the level of Jones to contend with his ji-jitsu skills. 



I think this is probably sacrilege to some in the wrestling community but I would love to see Jones wrestle a folkstyle/freestyle match with Olympic or All-American caliber wrestlers. He wasn a 2x JUCO national champ IIRC. He's no doubt a better jiu-Jitsu guy than Brock, and I think probably always has been.
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Y'all got this size thing overrated. If you put Yoda in a ring with VSM or Bocephus--I think I have an excellent Vance of winning on these three things--they're slower, both my hands are deadly, and I have more heart.


Dreams are good to have. Keep reachimg for the stars, kid!
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Dreams are good to have. Keep reachimg for the stars, kid!


I'd probably be laughing too hard to take either of you seriously

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