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vsmfloridafb

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Flipped on the ESPN+ app to watch Kovalev vs. Yarde in Russia on Saturday afternoon and it was a tremendously fun fight. Yarde is young and isn't quite ready yet in terms of quality opponents and ring experience but damn if he wasn't 30 seconds away from stopping Kovalev in the 8th round. Hit him with some monster body shots and had he on the ropes. But I give Kovalev credit, he battled back and really took control of the fight in the 10th to set up the knockout in the 11th. 

Now it looks like he's going to fight Canelo on Nov. 2 barring some random schmuckery by Canelo or Golden Boy using catchweights or re-hydration gimmicks. Hopefully the fight is at 175 with the unified rules.

Either way I think Canelo finishes Kovalev in the middle-late rounds. Kovalev can't take punches to the body at all and Canelo is going to destroy him in the mid-section. It's a good fight but not as good as the optics would appear. Kovalev is 36 but moreover he's not physically strong and doesn't always do the right things in camp. He's going to feel those body punches and want no part of them. 


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Agree on all points. (Mark it down, might be the first time ever sir) 

Theoretically, and given the later revelation that Yarde did zero sparring in preparation for this fight, Kovalev should've dispatched him much sooner. Instead he was about 2 good shots away from ending up where he did in Ward 2 and Storm Alvarez 1.

Please tell me how a younger guy like Yarde, who looked to be in great physical condition, got winded like he did. Dude was mouth breathing heavy by round 5. (Oh wait, that no sparring thing...)

If it's at 175 proper with no weaselly stipulations, Canelo will beat his bones to powder. He's faster, has better defense and will snatch his ribs out from his chest viciously. Only misstep Canelo could make is respecting Krusher's power too much and allow him to dictate the fight tempo, thereby taking some close rounds and squeaking by on a SD.

I think his last 2 fights were his last stand. He bought time by changing trainers but Father Time always comes to collect boxers who don't know when the PA starts playing Closing Time. And Canelo is so much the wrong guy to fight, but I'll give him credit for not ducking it and potentially going out with a fat payday. His pending legal issues and rumors of heavy drinking don't help matters but he's gonna be a pretty big underdog regardless.
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Yarde had never been past like 7 rounds in his career up until Saturday and the majority of his fights were less than four. Like you said, he doesn't do much sparring and probably doesn't do the cardio necessary to go 10-12 rounds. He's built for power and eliminating guys early.

It almost worked.

Ward during the fight said that Kovalev isn't physically strong. He has a big punch, but he isn't a strong light heavyweight and he can get pushed around. That's just playing into Cinnamon's wheelhouse. I can say a lot of things about that guy but he's damn sure strong. 

Curious if Canelo's win doesn't trigger something in Andre Ward. He seemed like he's be interested in that sort of payday if it presented itself. 

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Yarde had never been past like 7 rounds in his career up until Saturday and the majority of his fights were less than four. Like you said, he doesn't do much sparring and probably doesn't do the cardio necessary to go 10-12 rounds. He's built for power and eliminating guys early.

It almost worked.

Ward during the fight said that Kovalev isn't physically strong. He has a big punch, but he isn't a strong light heavyweight and he can get pushed around. That's just playing into Cinnamon's wheelhouse. I can say a lot of things about that guy but he's damn sure strong. 

Curious if Canelo's win doesn't trigger something in Andre Ward. He seemed like he's be interested in that sort of payday if it presented itself. 



Yarde needs to completely change his training regimen, and perhaps his trainer if he's the one instituting a foolish plan of not sparring. That's one time-honored tradition which has not been replaced by something better.

I think Kovalev is certainly tough. Strong is harder to measure. Ward bodysnatched him pretty bad but if anything it made him address the weakness to the gut. Turned out he could still get KO'd via head shots as Storm Alvarez proved.

Don't think Ward is gonna come back. It's been over 2 years. Pretty sure he doesn't need the money and even more sure he did what he set out to do, win some titles and remain undefeated. No reason to risk ending up like Stevenson, better to walk away like Andrew Luck. I get what you're saying that his competitive nature and the temptation of a high 8-figure payday might get him back into the game, but he seems smarter than guys who came before him and stayed way too long.
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Don't think Ward is gonna come back. It's been over 2 years. Pretty sure he doesn't need the money and even more sure he did what he set out to do, win some titles and remain undefeated. No reason to risk ending up like Stevenson, better to walk away like Andrew Luck. I get what you're saying that his competitive nature and the temptation of a high 8-figure payday might get him back into the game, but he seems smarter than guys who came before him and stayed way too long.


I could just be reading something into it but I just got that feeling like Ward is going to really watch that Canelo-Kovalev fight knowing that he could easily slide in there. That's the kind of fight Canelo would want, definitely the kind of fight that DAZN wants, might not be the fight Golden Boy wants but I think Oscar is less of a promoter and more of a messenger in his relationship with Canelo these days.

Like you said...8-figure paydays are tough to turn down. And Ward has to believe that he's a stronger guy, he's plenty tough enough to take his punch and Canelo's only fought one real tactical fighter in his career that can compare (Mayweather) and we saw how that went. Of course Cinnamon was pretty young at the time but he's only fought action guys since so there's no gauge to indicate how he'd deal with a fighter like that now. 

It's good to think of it as a potential possibility. 

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Money has a fantastic smell. Might even be better than the smell of the grilled sausage, peppers and onions at the state fair. But I don't believe Ward would want to come back after a 2+ year layoff against a guy like Alvarez. And having a tuneup fight only drags things out longer.

Bit of a stretch here. Canelo has fought maybe 2 guys who weren't straight ahead bangers since getting bop-dolled by Floyd: Lara and Jacobs. Lara landed a ton of jabs and even won on one card, but the judges weren't fond of how often he went backwards and were generous with points for power punches. Jacobs stayed with him the whole time as well but fell a little short, by a round or two.

Nonetheless, neither of those 2 is in Ward's class, especially with ability to anticipate and avoid shots while countering and systematically breaking down an opponent. But most of Ward's recent victims aren't in Canelo's class either, and that's the beauty of it. You got a boxer who can punch and a puncher who can box. 

The problem Ward has is that Canelo has like 2 dozen more professional fights at this point and he's essentially the veteran but younger. Not a favorable matchup for Ward if you ask me.
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This would just be a one-off match for Ward. Think Leonard vs. Hagler type of deal. But I think Ward is going to look close at the Kovalev fight. See where he finds the clear openings and things he can exploit.

For the reasons you specified it's an amazingly fun matchup since they have such contrasting styles and they are both committed to imposing their will so there's a great battle in there. 

Again there's a lot to be determined. I just think...I THINK...Ward is going to be interested in the fight after he sees Canelo against Kovalev. Obviously the money is the big thing but he won't be interested if he doesn't think he can win.

Canelo's had more matches but you know 20 of them were against journeymen and weekend warriors. I'm not worried about Ward in terms of preparation. He's always in shape, he's always prepared. 

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