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marduk

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If you didn't watch Gvozdyk-Beterbiev last Friday, you missed a very good fight. Apparently it was the 1st unification ever at light heavyweight between two undefeateds. And it lived up to the hype.

It might've also been the first time I can remember a boxer conning the ref into giving him a moment to recover from a low blow that wasn't. Gvozdyk got hit with a punishing body shot, turned away and waved his hand and the ref bought it. Some straight up Daniel Day-Lewis level acting.

As a result it was not surprising that he got dispatched the very next round....he was systematically dismantled by a wrecking ball. Beterbiev was apparently behind on 2 judges cards when he put Gvozdyk down for the 3rd and final time but it turned out to be irrelevant.

Pretty sure that after this fight he's the best of the division, not to mention the lineal champion. Gvozdyk was no slouch, but sometime around Round 3 it looked to me that Beterbiev didn't fear his power and was going to work the body (from the outside no less, even giving up 2 inches in both reach and height) until it buckled him.

I can see why Dan Rafael once described Beterbiev as 'a bad man'. He boxes but hits hard, eventually he hurts you and closes the curtain. You don't get to be 15-0 with 15 KO's without some bad intentions.

Interesting short bio piece before the fight on how, upon moving from Dagestan to Montreal, he became friends with MMA legend Georges St. Pierre. So pull this one up on Youtube, VOD, whatever.
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Will the winner fight Dwight Braxton? Mike Spinks? Michael Moorer? Eddie Mustafa Muhammed? Matthew Saad Muhammed?
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Will the winner fight Dwight Braxton? Mike Spinks? Michael Moorer? Eddie Mustafa Muhammed? Matthew Saad Muhammed?


If they're ranked by the WBC, sure. Anything is possible with that clown posse if you put some money on the dresser.

I expect VSM to come in any moment and blow me up for this since pretty much all the governing bodies of boxing have been at one time or another linked to shady practices.
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Canelo's team is already trash talking Beterbiev, which means he'll quickly drop down to 168 after beating Kovalev this weekend. 
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Canelo's team is already trash talking Beterbiev, which means he'll quickly drop down to 168 after beating Kovalev this weekend. 


haaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaa...

Canelo needs to stay at least three states away from Beterbiev. A fight with him would look a lot like the Gvozdyk fight; Canelo would land a bunch of jabs that scored but would eventually get caught by the bigger, stronger natural LH and it would hurt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Canelo's plan to go after Kovalev's tummy doesn't have the same result it did for Ward. The old man still hits hard and could sting him worse than anyone else has.
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What about Donnie LaLonde??

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haaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaa...

Canelo needs to stay at least three states away from Beterbiev. A fight with him would look a lot like the Gvozdyk fight; Canelo would land a bunch of jabs that scored but would eventually get caught by the bigger, stronger natural LH and it would hurt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Canelo's plan to go after Kovalev's tummy doesn't have the same result it did for Ward. The old man still hits hard and could sting him worse than anyone else has.


I don't know. Like with any fight. The closer it gets the more we'll try to talk ourselves into seeing something other than what we think we see. 

FWIW, I don't believe Canelo would take this jump if he didn't feel like it was pretty much in the bag. 

Again we've never seen Kovalev in real trouble. In both the fights he got dropped, he just got dropped, it wasn't like he took 8-9 rounds of punishment and got beat up. So we'll see. I am happy I have DAZN for this reason. 

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We were both right.

Very good fight. Kovalev walked the line for ten rounds, actually turned it up in the 8th and 9th rounds. Scorecards with 96-94, 96-94 and 95-95 going into the 11th.

I pause the final two rounds for 20 minutes so Peezy could stop by and watch the finish. Then Canelo puts him to sleep. Didn't see it coming. He hadn't really had him in trouble before that. Just clocked him.

Of course Canelo and his team are measured and wouldn't commit to his next fight. We can all finally say that Canelo picks fights for optics and usually he wants guys that are ripe for the pickings. Hence as much as he said Golovkin wasn't a challenge, he also said if it was right for business. When Beterbiev was mentioned Canelo wasn't so forthcoming. 
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Canelo wont fight Beterbiev or Ward.
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We were both right.

Very good fight. Kovalev walked the line for ten rounds, actually turned it up in the 8th and 9th rounds. Scorecards with 96-94, 96-94 and 95-95 going into the 11th.

I pause the final two rounds for 20 minutes so Peezy could stop by and watch the finish. Then Canelo puts him to sleep. Didn't see it coming. He hadn't really had him in trouble before that. Just clocked him.

Of course Canelo and his team are measured and wouldn't commit to his next fight. We can all finally say that Canelo picks fights for optics and usually he wants guys that are ripe for the pickings. Hence as much as he said Golovkin wasn't a challenge, he also said if it was right for business. When Beterbiev was mentioned Canelo wasn't so forthcoming. 


Dude. I passed out before it began. Woke up around like 1 a.m. and it still wasn't on so I went to bed. Decided I'd just pull it up from the DAZN app on demand when I awoke and wouldn't grab my phone to spoil the surprise.

And what a surprise it wasn't. Reminded me a lot of the Beterbiev fight. After about 3 rounds Canelo, like Beterbiev, started to stand his ground a little more and pick some shots high and low. But that one-two left-right was much more brutal than what Beterbiev dished out, though I'd venture to say that at this point in their careers Gvozdyk is tougher than Kovalev.

Krusher had that look when he got up off the floor like I did after my last scope, where you wake up and go 'is it over?' It probably should be for him but I don't know how much he has under the mattress...way I understand it your training crew, manager, etc., don't come cheap.

Canelo would be ill-advised to think that his victory over Kovalev would translate into similar success against Bivol or Beterbiev, or even Gvozdyk (remember he's still the guy who nearly killed Adonis Stevenson) let alone an inquisitive and similarly skilled Ward who might be lured out of retirement for a payday far more massive than anything he earned against Kovalev, Froch, Kessler, etc.

Five foot eight is not ideal above super middleweight. Sorry. But I think that for the money that will be tossed around, Canelo could be convinced to fight Beterbiev or Ward. He might not ostensibly want to get in there with those 2 but he's already lost his undefeated record and has to be thinking long term when the gloves come off for the last time. The only place zeros matter is at the end of the paycheck.

Ward and Beterbiev might be 34-35 but they've had periods of inactivity that make them physically younger than that. Although he wasn't trying to be funny -- he actually has warmed a little from his initial surliness and subpar language skills -- I thought it hilariously intimidating when Beterbiev said he doesn't see people, he only sees belts. That's the type of guy Canelo should avoid...not saying he shouldn't stay away from Ward as well but when you're against a guy that cold hearted you should act accordingly.
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I think Cinnabon is going to settle in at 168. He has a strap there although it's a joke of a strap he won from Rocky Fielding. He can bring GGG up to 168 since that seems like what he wants to do.

I could also see him dancing around Callum Smith and taking fights with Billy Joe Saunders instead and maybe a second fight with Danny Jacobs and maybe even trying to entice one of the Charlos to move up to that weight class.

Beterbiev isn't in the picture for a couple years. Ward will never be in the picture because Canelo will struggle against a fighter with Ward's strength, speed, ring knowledge, etc. 

He wants guys that will be there in the late rounds and available to be finished. 
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Super middle isn't really stacked with high-level players like LH is. But since he's in cahoots w/DAZN they're gonna push for better fights than that Fielding fiasco. Not sure who has agreements w/the various networks anymore but the most obvious matchup to me is against Munguia, a fellow Mexican that will come forward and not provide a massively problematic matchup. And he could probably stave off the fight for the next half-year, which would allow it to fall on...you guessed it, Mexican Independence Day weekend.

I completely believe there will be an attempt to lure Ward out of the broadcast booth. The money would be significant. And Canelo has had way more fights so in his eyes he'd have a favorable matchup in terms of both ring time and youth.

BJS is a pest and would be difficult like Lara was as both are elusive boxers. And he's another one we can't trust anymore to stay off the roids.

I think Golovkin wants a rematch w/Canelo more so than the other way around. Same w/Jacobs. And I'm sure Jermall Charlo would love to get after him. Jermell has a rematch next month against Harrison and he's the junior welter so I don't envision him gaining 20 pounds for this type of fight.

He should avoid Beterbiev like he's MRSA. If he's set on a Russian go for Bivol, less of a punching threat but a methodical fighter that hasn't looked all that great in his last couple fights.

End of the day, he's got to fight someone that's not a tomato can bc he got that fat contract and his layup fight has come and gone.



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We need some eccentric billionaire to put up $100M. Pay per view. 

Pier Sixer Battle Royal. No holds barred. Last man conscious in the ring takes the prize. Need a big ring 30 x 30.

8 Fighters

Canelo
Wilder
Fury
Joshua
Cormier
Jon Jones
Stipe
Nganno

Bare knuckles of course. No gear, just ring shorts, cups, and probably be wise to have a mouth piece.

Two rules:

1. You must be engaged with another fighter at all times.

2.  Once engaged, no ganging up. It becomes a one on one. If the fighters disengage to find another taker, that's OK, but it has to be mutual.
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I completely believe there will be an attempt to lure Ward out of the broadcast booth. The money would be significant. And Canelo has had way more fights so in his eyes he'd have a favorable matchup in terms of both ring time and youth.



I told this could happen months ago and you were like "no...I think Ward's happy...yadda yadda."

But man Cinnabon don't want that fight. He'd be the smaller guy, he'd be the weaker guy, he's be the dumber guy....that's not a spot he wants to be in. 

Munguia is a Golden Boy fighter putting the fight together would be no problem, but with Oscar there's always a problem. 

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I told this could happen months ago and you were like "no...I think Ward's happy...yadda yadda."

But man Cinnabon don't want that fight. He'd be the smaller guy, he'd be the weaker guy, he's be the dumber guy....that's not a spot he wants to be in. 

Munguia is a Golden Boy fighter putting the fight together would be no problem, but with Oscar there's always a problem.



Changed my mind after reading about the potential money that would be offered to him. A Ward-Canelo fight would put a lot of money on the dresser, more than anything he made against Kovalev, Dawson, Froch, Kessler, perhaps more than all of them combined.

I think that it would be a competitive fight. Canelo has fought his share of slick boxers but no one with the balance of various abilities to box and slug like Ward. Ward also has the ability to either be slick or awkward so no one could really time him consistently -- but Canelo has already seen this in Mayweather and learned from it.

Doubt we'll ever know so the point is moot. Giving up about 5 inches in height is rough but it never stopped Tyson. I think their ring acumen is a wash since both have extensive amateur and professional experience.

I really don't want him to fight Sanders. Loathe that guy immensely both in and out of ring. Anyone else but that soporific mountebank. Even Golovkin for a 3rd time. If he's smart he'll fight the next guy at 168, maybe Munguia or Andrade. I suspect he'll avoid the latter as well and should avoid most of the light heavies.

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