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As I mentioned when I started this thread, I'm not much of a boxing aficionado by any means.   I watched it some as a kid (Ali/Frazier, Olympics, etc.), but it was never really my bag.   That having been said, one of the things that I've always appreciated about the "sport of boxing" was its purity.  Man vs. man.  No equipment other than gloves.  And I recognize that any sport in which the final outcome may be determined by judges lends itself to scrutiny.  But, for the most part (and putting aside the Don King theatrics for the time being), the sport seemed pure.  

No longer.   I watched a few seconds of one of the Mayweather/McGregor "press conferences" and turned it off.  Yeah, JD, I agree the cursing is a little over the top for old school guys like us, but I would have sworn this was a WWE promotion (or what I always imagined a WWE promotion would sound like).  Scripted B.S. for the sole purpose of trying to appeal to that base side in all of us.  

I was giving some thought to watching the match, but I officially just lost interest it.  It's no longer a sport.  It's just entertainment (or at least that's what it's trying to be).  I may change my mind as the fight night draws closer, but for now, coverage of this match ranks right up there with coverage of LaVar Ball as the two things that will cause me to change the channel immediately.
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.But, for the most part (and putting aside the Don King theatrics for the time being), the sport seemed pure.  

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As I mentioned when I started this thread, I'm not much of a boxing aficionado by any means.   I watched it some as a kid (Ali/Frazier, Olympics, etc.), but it was never really my bag.   That having been said, one of the things that I've always appreciated about the "sport of boxing" was its purity.  Man vs. man.  No equipment other than gloves.  And I recognize that any sport in which the final outcome may be determined by judges lends itself to scrutiny.  But, for the most part (and putting aside the Don King theatrics for the time being), the sport seemed pure.  

No longer.   I watched a few seconds of one of the Mayweather/McGregor "press conferences" and turned it off.  Yeah, JD, I agree the cursing is a little over the top for old school guys like us, but I would have sworn this was a WWE promotion (or what I always imagined a WWE promotion would sound like).  Scripted B.S. for the sole purpose of trying to appeal to that base side in all of us.  

I was giving some thought to watching the match, but I officially just lost interest it.  It's no longer a sport.  It's just entertainment (or at least that's what it's trying to be).  I may change my mind as the fight night draws closer, but for now, coverage of this match ranks right up there with coverage of LaVar Ball as the two things that will cause me to change the channel immediately.



Amen to that!!!

Scripted WWE BS... 

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So glad I have a Fire Stick to find this fight for free.
But anyone who takes these press conferences seriously in any capacity -- especially with regard to intent behind remarks -- is taking the bait.
That said, I don't really think they care much for each other. It might be in Floyd's best interest to tank it and get a rematch, given that the IRS has likely built a cabin in his backyard to eyeball his spending.
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I'm taking these press conferences totally seriously. Every word. Kudos to Mayweather for embracing the heel role. I actually thought the crowd hated him. God I must be stupid...or just ol' school Bob Backlund 4 Horsemen Ric Flair Love me some sh** talkin.
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These cats are third rate trash talkers compared to dudes like Macho Man and Ravishing Rick Rude. I won't even throw the Nature Boy in there because it's not fair to compare children to men.
Just realized I won't even be home for this fight. First Bucs preseason game at home that night.
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This movie was already made in 1996 staring Samuel L Jackson and Damon Wayans
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Loved the great white hype. But that was more for Tyson and McNeely. McGregor is a far cry from McNeely. Floyd wins. But there is no way he knocks him out. He'll have to run and run and run and jab and jab and jab. 
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If you doubt McGregor's toughness watch the McGregor v. Chad Mendes fight. Mendes caught him several powerful shots and took him down four times. Then proceeded to elbow him from the guard about a dozen times. Connor didn't even get winded. He was loaded with cuts on his face but escaped the guard and knocked him out in with 3 second left in the second round. 
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjWiuC2ypDVAhVDLZoKHTRzCi8QtwIIJjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxvdTHE_2F9s&usg=AFQjCNHel70_oEZ2ugQOigZacn7yp2Nn7w
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If there's a new "great white hype" in boxing, it shouldn't be McGregor, it's gotta be HiTech Lomachenko... Hope that he gets the showdown with Rigondeaux or the rematch with Salido after this ESPN fight next month.
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Loved the great white hype. But that was more for Tyson and McNeely. McGregor is a far cry from McNeely. Floyd wins. But there is no way he knocks him out. He'll have to run and run and run and jab and jab and jab. 


Your right that was more of Tyson McNeely but that guy in the movie had a better chance than Mcneelly did vs Tyson LOL.
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If you doubt McGregor's toughness watch the McGregor v. Chad Mendes fight. Mendes caught him several powerful shots and took him down four times. Then proceeded to elbow him from the guard about a dozen times. Connor didn't even get winded. He was loaded with cuts on his face but escaped the guard and knocked him out in with 3 second left in the second round. 


I think a lot of those fights show how beatable McGregor is, even if he is tough as nails. Diaz out boxed Conor, makes me feel confident Floyd can. You guys should look up Nick Diaz, Nate's older brother and a legend in MMA, talking about how bad MMA's boxing acumen is on the whole. He blames kickboxing and Muay Thai having too much influence in the prevailing MMA striking philosophy.

I found this board as a flag football coach but wrestling is my home base, and I train in jiu Jitsu now. My gym is hosting a Nate Diaz seminar this weekend but I'm taking our AAU team to a flag football tournament... I missed Matt Serra and Bas Rutten seminars cus I was coaching wrestling, now it's flag's turn 😪
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I think a lot of those fights show how beatable McGregor is, even if he is tough as nails. Diaz out boxed Conor, makes me feel confident Floyd can. You guys should look up Nick Diaz, Nate's older brother and a legend in MMA, talking about how bad MMA's boxing acumen is on the whole. He blames kickboxing and Muay Thai having too much influence in the prevailing MMA striking philosophy. I found this board as a flag football coach but wrestling is my home base, and I train in jiu Jitsu now. My gym is hosting a Nate Diaz seminar this weekend but I'm taking our AAU team to a flag football tournament... I missed Matt Serra and Bas Rutten seminars cus I was coaching wrestling, now it's flag's turn 😪


Yeah boxing striking is much different than MMA... Conor may not have been knocked out by an MMA striker but boxers hit from different angles and literally all they do is throw punches so they are going to land them better and harder than the more all around MMA fighter.
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Yeah boxing striking is much different than MMA... Conor may not have been knocked out by an MMA striker but boxers hit from different angles and literally all they do is throw punches so they are going to land them better and harder than the more all around MMA fighter.


Check this out if you get a chance peezy. Diaz has trained a decent amount w Andre Ward and other pro boxers. There are plenty of MMA fighters with good western boxing... Diaz bros, prime BJ Penn, Doo Ho Choi, Little Nog, Dos Santos, even this new kid Aaron Pico was a junior national champ and trains and Wild Card. It's just that the prevailing ideas I striking come out of Muay Thai and K1 style kickboxing, or even karate in the case of guys like Lyito Machida or Stephen Thompson so those guys are afraid of certain western boxing style movements and stance leading to taking bad kicks, and confident in their ability to leg kick the crap out of guys both to control distance and to destroy guys ability to throw power late in fights. Why perfect your jab when you have a great teep kick? That kind of mindset.



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To go back up a few, I wasn't trying to compare Mendes striking ability to Floyd's. But a punch is a punch and he tatooed him 8 or 9 good times with little effect. And Mendez had 6 oz MMA gloves on, not boxing gloves. Also, remember, to Connor's defense, when you are fighting mma you're looking for kicks and shoots as well when you are face to face. When he's fighting Floyd, he's only worried about punches so his defense should be better. But Floyd's punches should come much, much faster than the ones Mendes was throwing. 
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Connor in 4 rounds or less... And then I'll be on the block waitin' to throw hands with anybody.
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Connor in 4 rounds or less... And then I'll be on the block waitin' to throw hands with anybody.


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Check this out if you get a chance peezy. Diaz has trained a decent amount w Andre Ward and other pro boxers. There are plenty of MMA fighters with good western boxing... Diaz bros, prime BJ Penn, Doo Ho Choi, Little Nog, Dos Santos, even this new kid Aaron Pico was a junior national champ and trains and Wild Card. It's just that the prevailing ideas I striking come out of Muay Thai and K1 style kickboxing, or even karate in the case of guys like Lyito Machida or Stephen Thompson so those guys are afraid of certain western boxing style movements and stance leading to taking bad kicks, and confident in their ability to leg kick the crap out of guys both to control distance and to destroy guys ability to throw power late in fights. Why perfect your jab when you have a great teep kick? That kind of mindset.
SOG "anytime I fight a southpaw I have the Diaz bros in camp"


According to my brother Marduk Ward isn't a great boxer and just survives on cheapshots (I so DO NOT agree but still LMAO)
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http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/20126867/conor-mcgregor-starts-sparring-sessions-8-rounds-ex-champ-paulie-malignaggi
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Smart move... and if he loses one round to Pm while sparring he should just cancel the fight lMAO
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Smart move... and if he loses one round to Pm while sparring he should just cancel the fight lMAO


That's a little harsh, huh?! Paulie took a split decision off AB when AB was going to be the next big thing. Yeah, he's been retired a little while... But I can think of another old boxer who has been out of the game a little minute too...
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When we put that left hook on his chin Peezy--I'm telling you expect a phone call from me. You're taking me out that night for rounds.
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Serious question, why is Mayweather a prick, and CM is beloved?  They pull the same ridiculous antics.
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That's a little harsh, huh?! Paulie took a split decision off AB when AB was going to be the next big thing. Yeah, he's been retired a little while... But I can think of another old boxer who has been out of the game a little minute too...


AB??? Wait you mean Adrian Broner?  That guy is a clown... Any who... Paulie is a good boxer... One that if we are using him as a measuring stick would be in the same category as the Andre Berto's (without the power) of the world... If you want to beat a guy like FM.... You can't be losing any rounds to a guy like Paulie in sparring.
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When we put that left hook on his chin Peezy--I'm telling you expect a phone call from me. You're taking me out that night for rounds.


Get your pocket change ready cause rounds will be on you... You will be sleep by the end of the fight through boredom tho.
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Serious question, why is Mayweather a prick, and CM is beloved?  They pull the same ridiculous antics.


Most will say its cause Floyd hit a women (which I know we all despise and I do not disagree) But I think most hated him the same before that even came out.
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connor really gets in their & fights it out toe to toe LOL
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I've said clearly why I don't like him. It's not a double standard.
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The psychological warfare....wow...
http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/07/23/conor-mcgregor-trolls-mayweather-with-cj-watson-jersey-who-slept-with-ex-girlfriend/
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“The woman who was allegedly beaten, Josie Harris, said that she woke up one morning to see Mayweather holding her phone, yelling at her about text messages from Watson.

“Are you having sex with C.J.,” Mayweather reportedly shouted at Harris. Harris, who has three children with Mayweather, responded that she was seeing Watson and the fighter responded by punching her in the back of the head, according to the police report.

Mayweather pleaded guilty to a domestic violence charge and was sentenced to 90 days in prison. He served two months in jail and later reconciled with Harris.

“All I heard is, ‘Who is C.J. Watson, C.J. Watson the basketball player?’ Harris said in the police report. “From there it was just … bad. I was powerless. He was holding me down. I couldn’t fight back. The kids were screaming and crying, ‘You’re hurting my Mom.’ “

Harris told police that Mayweather yelled, “I’m going to kill you and the man you are messing around with. I’m going to have you both disappear.”
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The psychological warfare....wow... http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/07/23/conor-mcgregor-trolls-mayweather-with-cj-watson-jersey-who-slept-with-ex-girlfriend/

This one I give him credit for
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“The woman who was allegedly beaten, Josie Harris, said that she woke up one morning to see Mayweather holding her phone, yelling at her about text messages from Watson. “Are you having sex with C.J.,” Mayweather reportedly shouted at Harris. Harris, who has three children with Mayweather, responded that she was seeing Watson and the fighter responded by punching her in the back of the head, according to the police report. Mayweather pleaded guilty to a domestic violence charge and was sentenced to 90 days in prison. He served two months in jail and later reconciled with Harris. “All I heard is, ‘Who is C.J. Watson, C.J. Watson the basketball player?’ Harris said in the police report. “From there it was just … bad. I was powerless. He was holding me down. I couldn’t fight back. The kids were screaming and crying, ‘You’re hurting my Mom.’ “ Harris told police that Mayweather yelled, “I’m going to kill you and the man you are messing around with. I’m going to have you both disappear.”


This is well documented... many of our favorite sports stars are unsavory off the field ring court etc...

Question is before you even knew about this why did you not like Mayweather?


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Strictly the fights I've seen him engaged in were boring.
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Strictly the fights I've seen him engaged in were boring.


Floyd is kind of a runner. But that will serve him well vs McGregor. Nothing against Connor, but he's not a "boxer". He has trained some in boxinig for MMA but has not developed the craft nearly enough to out box a champion who is 49-0.

Of course he has a puncher's chance, but so did 49 others who were specifically trained in boxing. The only thing working against Floyd is his age but he wasn't super active the last many years so his body should be pretty rested. 


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According to my brother Marduk Ward isn't a great boxer and just survives on cheapshots (I so DO NOT agree but still LMAO)


Pretty much describes his last fight. He took advantage of a weak (pun intended) referee and got away with lots of low blows, including those which finished the fight.
When have you ever seen a guy looking to hit that low to finish a fight?
He fought like a coward and had lost 5-6 of the first 7 rounds; even Lederman described him at one point as 'running, running, running'. Him and that half-ass chickensh-t shoulder roll like Mayweather. I have no use for guys who fight with that defense-as-offense. Man up and fight bravely or go be a CPA.
Oh how I cannot wait till someone lays him out. And it will happen.
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1. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
2. Your boy Kov had his belt pulled up to his tits
3. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
4. Boxing is a sport of hitting and not getting hit so shoulder roll counter and kill
5. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
6. Lederman has not known what he was watching for about 10 years now
7. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
8. I prefer to listen to guys like Max, Roy etc... The ones who really know what is going on in the ring... 
9. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
10. Not happening anytime soon
11. Body blow hurt worse than head shots
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I've been hit both ways. Never has a body shot bothered me like a head shot. Not even close. If anything, a head shot hurt a couple of the dumbasses who punched me a lot more than it hurt me.
And the vast majority of KO/TKO in boxing occur when a guy gets popped in the dome. Every so often you get a shot to the vagus nerve (aka liver punch) but those are rarities bc they have to be exact...fraction of a centimeter off and it's just another punch.
I've watched that fight three times now (full on couch potato mode last couple weeks before we go back). SK trunks were at a normal spot. Top of waistband was under the navel. And he was hit low 2-3 times before the final round.
Kellerman and Jones Jr. are often insightful but they also talk out of both sides of their ass sometimes. Generally they just point out the obvious. Lederman is still pretty accurate, give the old fart his due, and he rightly had Kovalev up 5 rounds to 2 because Ward ran most of the fight.
If that's your guy, great. Me, I'd never support a guy who wasn't coming forward with his own offense, but instead waits for the other guy to miss. Kinda like waiting until another country bombs you first even though you knew they were planning all along to lay you out like an old patio rug.
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Just depends on the guy. In my experience head shots don't really hurt, but if you get your flip switched there's not much you can. Last time I got dropped sparring I caught a right cross the jaw and it didn't hurt, it just turned my knees off. 15 seconds later I was good to go. Body shots tho are pain, they make you question whether you want to go on.
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I've been hit both ways. Never has a body shot bothered me like a head shot. Not even close. If anything, a head shot hurt a couple of the dumbasses who punched me a lot more than it hurt me. And the vast majority of KO/TKO in boxing occur when a guy gets popped in the dome. Every so often you get a shot to the vagus nerve (aka liver punch) but those are rarities bc they have to be exact...fraction of a centimeter off and it's just another punch. I've watched that fight three times now (full on couch potato mode last couple weeks before we go back). SK trunks were at a normal spot. Top of waistband was under the navel. And he was hit low 2-3 times before the final round. Kellerman and Jones Jr. are often insightful but they also talk out of both sides of their ass sometimes. Generally they just point out the obvious. Lederman is still pretty accurate, give the old fart his due, and he rightly had Kovalev up 5 rounds to 2 because Ward ran most of the fight. If that's your guy, great. Me, I'd never support a guy who wasn't coming forward with his own offense, but instead waits for the other guy to miss. Kinda like waiting until another country bombs you first even though you knew they were planning all along to lay you out like an old patio rug.


1. You admittedly have neck problems.
2. I guarantee you have never been hit with a properly placed shot to the kidney or plex... I took a helmet to the kidney and passed out upon contact... and was pissing blood for a week.  This was at 13.  I'd much rather take the head shot.
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I've been hit both ways. Never has a body shot bothered me like a head shot. Not even close. If anything, a head shot hurt a couple of the dumbasses who punched me a lot more than it hurt me. And the vast majority of KO/TKO in boxing occur when a guy gets popped in the dome. Every so often you get a shot to the vagus nerve (aka liver punch) but those are rarities bc they have to be exact...fraction of a centimeter off and it's just another punch. I've watched that fight three times now (full on couch potato mode last couple weeks before we go back). SK trunks were at a normal spot. Top of waistband was under the navel. And he was hit low 2-3 times before the final round. Kellerman and Jones Jr. are often insightful but they also talk out of both sides of their ass sometimes. Generally they just point out the obvious. Lederman is still pretty accurate, give the old fart his due, and he rightly had Kovalev up 5 rounds to 2 because Ward ran most of the fight. If that's your guy, great. Me, I'd never support a guy who wasn't coming forward with his own offense, but instead waits for the other guy to miss. Kinda like waiting until another country bombs you first even though you knew they were planning all along to lay you out like an old patio rug.


Oh and I prefer counter punchers then the guy who takes 3 to get 1...  Getting hit with a smooth counter punch you didn't see coming is an easy way for the lights to go out. 
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My neck issues (3 fusions) didn't happen because of a punch. They started in 94 when some little ankle sock who was crowd surfing at a Metallica show came down on the back of my neck and dislocated a couple vertebrae. From there it was downhill because once you've started the degeneration it's only a matter of time before the surgeon goes in and starts inserting Lego parts.
How can you compare a kidney shot to anything in boxing? Those are illegal anyway. Other than that very tiny bullseye for the vagus nerve/liver shot, I stand by my assertion that no body shot hurts like a punch to the face or side of head.

You can be an offensive minded counter puncher. Crawford is a good example. He's a warrior. Ward and Mayweather are abysmal to watch for me because they are reactive, not proactive fighters. And definitely not warriors. Only guy I've ever seen Ward go into seek and destroy mode on was Dawson, but apparently he was low hanging fruit bc he was drained to make that weight.

What bothered me about the Ward/Kovalev finish is that once he had Kovalev hurt from the head shot and low shots, he crouched in order to keep hitting him low and lower. Who does that? Guy is staggering, you go with gravity and punch down, not go down to come back up. Thump him upstairs, short circuit that neurocognitive impulse and let's go catch the buffet before they put the crab legs away.
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Just depends on the guy. In my experience head shots don't really hurt, but if you get your flip switched there's not much you can. Last time I got dropped sparring I caught a right cross the jaw and it didn't hurt, it just turned my knees off. 15 seconds later I was good to go. Body shots tho are pain, they make you question whether you want to go on.


Bingo.

The difference is a properly placed head shot and your lights go out (but not real pain unless you get a broken nose jaw or something like that).  Your cranium is the toughest bone on the body for good reason.

The body blows don't always take you out with one blow but the repetitive beating gives excrutiating pain when properly placed.  Some guys specialize in that.  Keith Thurman and Miguel Cotto used to kill from the body but went away from it for some reason.

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My neck issues (3 fusions) didn't happen because of a punch. They started in 94 when some little ankle sock who was crowd surfing at a Metallica show came down on the back of my neck and dislocated a couple vertebrae. From there it was downhill because once you've started the degeneration it's only a matter of time before the surgeon goes in and starts inserting Lego parts. How can you compare a kidney shot to anything in boxing? Those are illegal anyway. Other than that very tiny bullseye for the vagus nerve/liver shot, I stand by my assertion that no body shot hurts like a punch to the face or side of head. You can be an offensive minded counter puncher. Crawford is a good example. He's a warrior. Ward and Mayweather are abysmal to watch for me because they are reactive, not proactive fighters. And definitely not warriors. Only guy I've ever seen Ward go into seek and destroy mode on was Dawson, but apparently he was low hanging fruit bc he was drained to make that weight. What bothered me about the Ward/Kovalev finish is that once he had Kovalev hurt from the head shot and low shots, he crouched in order to keep hitting him low and lower. Who does that? Guy is staggering, you go with gravity and punch down, not go down to come back up. Thump him upstairs, short circuit that neurocognitive impulse and let's go catch the buffet before they put the crab legs away.


Liver shot not kidney... anyways those punches hurt and compound... You can recover from  head shot... with rest... body shots don't go away for about a week.
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I thought this was a fair piece that provide context to what this guy is all about. I had no idea Dublin was like that. It's hood' Irish style
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather
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I want to watch this fight with Puckett... I don't really care to watch the fight i just want to put a video on him to watch his reaction as the inevitable happens... lol.
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there's hope yoda LOL
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Someone tell me this was a joke right




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Someone tell me this was a joke right






nope he actually did all that stuff in the clip i posted from FS1... LOL
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