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Does this really matter?  

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mayweather-mcgregor-nevada-athletic-commission-approves-one-fight-exception-lighter-gloves-191330938.html



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The answer is...sort of.

Obviously lighter gloves favor punchers, in this case McGregor. If you think Mayweather is just going to jab and backpedal and pile up points no matter what, then it's a non-issue. If you think McGregor can hurt him if he hits him, then it favors the Dubliner.

The sucker punch against Ortiz notwithstanding, Mayweather has had packing peanuts for fists for a long while now. His brittle hands are well documented. I'm not entirely sure why he brought up the idea unless he figures McGregor couldn't beat him if he had Gendry's battle hammer in both hands, because IIRC he wouldn't agree to 8 ounce gloves for Pacquiao.

I will be incredibly shocked if Floyd decides to stand and trade. He's talked as if he's going to tranquilize Conor but I think he's just doing the perfunctory sales pitch to get people to spend that hundred bucks on the PPV. And I can't blame him; I'm no fan of the guy, but when it's a daily topic on every sports show in every medium -- most of which make a mockery of the fight -- he's got an obligation to try and convince as many people as possible to order this thing.

(BTW, I can't watch those morning sports talk things anymore...for the 3 weeks I was off from teaching, every morning it was either Floyd/Conor vitriol or boo hoo Kap is unemployed. It's a wonder I waited 'til 4 like SteveO to start drinking bc every morning I felt as though by 9:30 I was gonna pull a Nic Cage in Leaving Las Vegas.)
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https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/898212048743546880/video/1



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they all got they azz whooped [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]
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Was he drunk or just experiencing senile decay
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Floyd Senior has talked like that for about 20 years.... probably comes from boxing
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I don't recall him getting his bell rung much at any point though. He fought like Jr. does but with lesser speed, so he didn't stand there and get popped. Senior is just a bit more deliberate with his word choices I guess.

To me, Floyd is not winning the battle of posturing so far because I cannot imagine him capitulating on the glove issue unless he's letting his anger get the best of him. 
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I don't recall him getting his bell rung much at any point though. He fought like Jr. does but with lesser speed, so he didn't stand there and get popped. Senior is just a bit more deliberate with his word choices I guess.

To me, Floyd is not winning the battle of posturing so far because I cannot imagine him capitulating on the glove issue unless he's letting his anger get the best of him. 


When it comes to Floyd you should just not trust your own judgement... You don't like the guy... It has nothing to do with Anger.  Just think long and hard...

This fight is nothing more than a money drubbing circus act.  8 ounce gloves were probably pre-determined just like I bet Conor and Floyd meet before press conferences to go over what they are going to say.  This is basically a Rocky Movie and Floyd just dropped that 2 weeks before the fight to continue the circus and get more interest and get more people hoping and thinking he will lose.  The PPV presales were not going as expected as were the venue ticket sales.

Folk are going to be sheep and Floyd is going to be a whole lot more wealthy because he is good at Duping certain people into believe they will get a chance to see him stand toe to toe and get KO'd... #dontbeadummyyoucanlearnalotfromadummy


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Not sure how many people are watching at home but I've seen quite a few places nearby advertising they'll be showing it. 

Only white guy I'll see this Saturday fighting an almost impossible to defeat black guy is Brock Osweiler up against Gerald McCoy. These preseason games seem to take forever so I don't think I'll be done before the fight starts, nor do I see myself hitting Winghouse or Irish 31 afterwards. August night games are no less hot than day games, so I'll sweat like crazy and stink like a slum goat which means straight home for me.

I don't think the gloves were predetermined. NSAC doesn't roll over just like that for such matters, not that I'm aware of, unless I've missed something over the years. I think Floyd just said screw it, I'll whomp him regardless of the gloves so he won't make excuses.

I always hold out hope McGregor will catch him just once and buckle his knees. Father Time will come for Floyd one day. And as Zach de la Rocha once whispered, it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now?

Old age among elite athletes oftentimes doesn't creep up, it happens all at once. Not a gradual decline but a steep cliff. Think Peyton Manning's final season and that's what I hope happens Saturday.
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And BTW, nothing these 2 jabronis do on Saturday will be better than watching the Crawford fight from last Saturday, brief as though it may have been.

First time in a while I've seen 2 southpaws at once, even if only for ten minutes.

Didn't realize this was the first 4 belt unification since Hopkins-DLH. It'll likely be the last bc Crawford is probably moving up to welterweight, where the money and competition are better. Commentators mentioned more than once he had trouble making 140 so he was likely done with that, maybe one more fight but no more.

You might be right about the body shots being lethal. But I will say without wavering that those generally hurt more on the smaller, thinner, more leanly muscled guys. Lardass heavyweights, you gotta decapitate the snake to bring them down. 
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Ok, just read this on ESPN:

"Undisputed junior welterweight world champion Terence Crawford probably won't hold the unprecedented distinction of owning all four title belts in the 140-pound weight class for long...each organization has a different mandatory challenger."

Man, don't get me started.


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Not sure how many people are watching at home but I've seen quite a few places nearby advertising they'll be showing it. 

Only white guy I'll see this Saturday fighting an almost impossible to defeat black guy is Brock Osweiler up against Gerald McCoy. These preseason games seem to take forever so I don't think I'll be done before the fight starts, nor do I see myself hitting Winghouse or Irish 31 afterwards. August night games are no less hot than day games, so I'll sweat like crazy and stink like a slum goat which means straight home for me.

I don't think the gloves were predetermined. NSAC doesn't roll over just like that for such matters, not that I'm aware of, unless I've missed something over the years. I think Floyd just said screw it, I'll whomp him regardless of the gloves so he won't make excuses.

I always hold out hope McGregor will catch him just once and buckle his knees. Father Time will come for Floyd one day. And as Zach de la Rocha once whispered, it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now?

Old age among elite athletes oftentimes doesn't creep up, it happens all at once. Not a gradual decline but a steep cliff. Think Peyton Manning's final season and that's what I hope happens Saturday.


Your right about the old age especially in boxing it just comes on all at one Ala Roy the Great Jones... Roy went damn near a decade without as so much as losing a round and then BAM just like that.

I always ascertain that the only chance Connor or anyone has is Floyd aged since his last fight and his training camp he did not see it... However I don't see this as the case since Floyd is as Technically sound as BHop who was scoring wins against younger fighters all the way till 50... The difference between Bhop and Jones is Bhop was technical so as his skills diminished he was still more technically sound and practiced than most while Roy was naturally talented and his talent went he did not have the supurb technique to fall back on.  Floyd is both naturally talented and Technical so if his talent diminishes he can fall back on his technique.

Also I think it would take a real boxer not a MMA turned boxer in a few months to expose Floyd which is why you will not see him fight the young up and comers.  He may not fight after going 50-0 and making 300m from this fight unless he fights another stiff with enough clout to bring him a 100m Payday.  
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And BTW, nothing these 2 jabronis do on Saturday will be better than watching the Crawford fight from last Saturday, brief as though it may have been.

First time in a while I've seen 2 southpaws at once, even if only for ten minutes.

Didn't realize this was the first 4 belt unification since Hopkins-DLH. It'll likely be the last bc Crawford is probably moving up to welterweight, where the money and competition are better. Commentators mentioned more than once he had trouble making 140 so he was likely done with that, maybe one more fight but no more.

You might be right about the body shots being lethal. But I will say without wavering that those generally hurt more on the smaller, thinner, more leanly muscled guys. Lardass heavyweights, you gotta decapitate the snake to bring them down. 


I missed that fight for obvious reasons... I was watching my wife pass a life through her body LOL.  I will try to catch it on Youtubee.

I did see Chris Fats Arreola get taken out by a body shot... Cant remember who but it was vicious 
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Crawford/Indongo won't take you long. Ten minutes tops. 

If he moves up to welters, I will be very interested to see who has the sack to step up against him. Much mention was made Saturday of Crawford being slated to attend the Pac/Horn rematch, with him facing the winner. Neither one would stand a chance, not even Manny.

Crawford too fast...even though he's more of a counter guy, he closes the show once he has the slightest in. Manny got tapped way too often by the Australian and he was not exactly a speedy guy, so I'd bet the little merc from Omaha would embarrass him.

Pac needs to go after this rematch, come, stay, lay or pray. He had a good run -- and he did get jobbed by the last decision -- but Father Time has undoubtedly come to collect the rent.

Welter has no shortage of contenders and champs but I expect him to have a title at 147 within a year to 18 months. He can skip the line and go straight to either Thurman or Spence. No one else can match him there.

Congrats again on the birth of your daughter. Has to be a great feeling in life. Brings to mind Paul Simon when he said these are the days of miracle and wonder.



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Been a great year for boxing
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Been a great year for boxing

Perhaps--I don't know I grew up in the 80's 90's with Leonard, Hagler, Hearnes, Tyson, Holmes, Mancini, Jones, etc etc etc....Boxing has a pulse but it just doesn't excite me like it did in the 80s, 90's
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Perhaps--I don't know I grew up in the 80's 90's with Leonard, Hagler, Hearnes, Tyson, Holmes, Mancini, Jones, etc etc etc....Boxing has a pulse but it just doesn't excite me like it did in the 80s, 90's


Don't be that guy who compares everything current to everything from the time when he grew up... Its been a great year of boxing in the age of boxing we are in.
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I'm sorry... but your guy justt got trashed by a "weak" fighter who all he does is runs according to y'all...

Please stop with this hype stuff getting your hopes up only to be crushed is not healthy.


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I'm sorry... but your guy justt got trashed by a "weak" fighter who all he does is runs according to y'all...

Please stop with this hype stuff getting your hopes up only to be crushed is not healthy.




I've said the whole time Mayweather would run away with it. But this is silly. McGregor put on a tremendous performance relative to most expectations. You have to give credit where credit is due.

At some point, if you're denying McGregor accomplished something huge tonight, you're almost tarnishing Mayweather.
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Perhaps--I don't know I grew up in the 80's 90's with Leonard, Hagler, Hearnes, Tyson, Holmes, Mancini, Jones, etc etc etc....Boxing has a pulse but it just doesn't excite me like it did in the 80s, 90's


People love seeing the big guys fight, for good reason. Klitschko/Joshua was a great match.
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I've said the whole time Mayweather would run away with it. But this is silly. McGregor put on a tremendous performance relative to most expectations. You have to give credit where credit is due.

At some point, if you're denying McGregor accomplished something huge tonight, you're almost tarnishing Mayweather.


Alot of folk who said Connor would win are also saying "he did better than expected " how does that work exactly if folk (not you vern) thought he'd win how does getting a 10 round TKO constitute doing better than expected???

Here's what I think. Floyd carried him for 4 rounds to make it.a show then he boxed him. If Connor steps in the ring with a young up and comer like Thurman Spence Alvarez etc the fight won't last 4 rounds because they are going to come for the kill early and not be concerned about the "show".

So yes I am denying what CM accomplished and yes this should Tarnish Mayweather. That 50 deserves an asterisk. Floyd I'm the last 10 years has never picked a fight he can lose and this was no different with bigger $$$$ because folk bought the hype.

Why else would he not fight an up and comer from his previous last fight instead of 4 loss Her to?

Yeah this sh*t was the sham I thought it was. Now CM will join TMT and him and Floyd will continue to take folks money.
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Man tough crowd... I swear had Connor won or forced a decision atleast this thread would've been lit up with comments
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A Mayweather that was ten years younger probably could have ended the fight in round or 4 or 5, but Connor did very well for his first pro boxing match, which just happened to be against an undefeated legend.

Now turn the tables and put this in the Octagon and the fight is over in about 45 seconds. 
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You see boxers aren't stupid they stay in their lane until they are over the hill and looking for attentions. Also what does a prime boxer have to gain by doing MMA? The money is in boxing . Connor made more in this fight than his career combined and if I'm him I would stay in boxing for 3 more fights he's going to make a solid 20m a fight even fighting tomatoe cans
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The only boxer I know of who could potentially last in an MMA fight vs a high quality mixed martial artist is Lomachenko. He's got a pretty solid amateur wrestling and sambo background so he's the only boxer I know of with a prayer of keeping it standing.
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While as difficult as it was proven it's am easier transition from MMA to boxing but even still you see the result
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You see boxers aren't stupid they stay in their lane until they are over the hill and looking for attentions. Also what does a prime boxer have to gain by doing MMA? The money is in boxing . Connor made more in this fight than his career combined and if I'm him I would stay in boxing for 3 more fights he's going to make a solid 20m a fight even fighting tomatoe cans


The closest thing we've ever seen is James Toney fighting Randy Couture, which went about how you'd expect. I think top-line boxers make way more than top-line MMA guys, but bottom of the card MMA guys do better than their boxing counterparts. I think you'll see more young, talented boxers choose the MMA route (its also better on your body long term with CTE concerns). Example: Aaron Pico.
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Mayweather carried them through the 1st 4 rounds. 

if he wanted to, the fight coulda been over much earlier

you could just see the difference in hand speed and quickness from Mayweather

even if he is old and way past his prime, he's still lightyears faster than McGregor was

but, they wanted to put on a show, which, after the 1st 4, turned out to be quite entertaining
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Berto spoke with TMZ following Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor, and when asked if he wanted to call out any MMA fighters, he went as far as to say he wants a UFC contract right now.

“I want all of ‘em!” Berto said. “Dana White, you know me, you know my family’s been in MMA for a while, I’m coming to the UFC so Dana White, call me! Tell Dana to call me. I’ll go to the UFC.

“I wanna be the first fighter ever to be a world champion in boxing and go get a UFC world title. It’s never been done. That’s never been done. Tell Dana to holler at me!”



Berto looked like he might've had a few of those beers yall are always talking about in the other subforum

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Mayweather carried them through the 1st 4 rounds. 

if he wanted to, the fight coulda been over much earlier

you could just see the difference in hand speed and quickness from Mayweather

even if he is old and way past his prime, he's still lightyears faster than McGregor was

but, they wanted to put on a show, which, after the 1st 4, turned out to be quite entertaining


Agree completely
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Berto looked like he might've had a few of those beers yall are always talking about in the other subforum


1. Berto has made all the money he will in boxing and he's not winning many more as he's gotten older.
2. His brother is a MMA fighter (average)
3. He's looking to make a side show like the last 2 but he does not have the pull for that.
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Them Bertos just love doing some sort of fighting. If he had more of the skill set of his brother Cleveland, who was a state champion wrestler, he might be interesting because as you minions saw this weekend...MMA guys don't know how to throw properly formed punches. So a guy that knew how to REALLY punch and had some other levels of skills might be good. I don't think Berto has any noticeable BJJ skills or ability to defend leg kicks, etc. 
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I've said the whole time Mayweather would run away with it. But this is silly. McGregor put on a tremendous performance relative to most expectations. You have to give credit where credit is due. At some point, if you're denying McGregor accomplished something huge tonight, you're almost tarnishing Mayweather.


He got carried for a few rounds. Landed nothing remotely threatening and got beat up and exhausted for the final 6-7 rounds. Every time he got hit with the body shot he took three steps back.

In other words...He got fooked up. And luckily for him the got the fight stopped because I was going to enjoy him taking another minute of straight right hands to the face and hyperventilating 

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Them Bertos just love doing some sort of fighting. If he had more of the skill set of his brother Cleveland, who was a state champion wrestler, he might be interesting because as you minions saw this weekend...MMA guys don't know how to throw properly formed punches. So a guy that knew how to REALLY punch and had some other levels of skills might be good. I don't think Berto has any noticeable BJJ skills or ability to defend leg kicks, etc. 


Oh boy, if you thought MMA guys were bad at punching, just wait til you see boxers try wrestling/kicking/jiu-Jitsu. Bob n weave right into a flying knee.
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Oh boy, if you thought MMA guys were bad at punching, just wait til you see boxers try wrestling/kicking/jiu-Jitsu. Bob n weave right into a flying knee.


Once again... Boxers stay in their lane. (except for the old washed up guys).
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Once again... Boxers stay in their lane. (except for the old washed up guys).


Imo, this is part of the problem in boxing. Guys lose a couple fights and suddenly theyre washed up. No other combat sport has this approach to their fighters. One or two losses totally derails a guy's career. Why isn't there any interest in watching guys who are talented and game for an entertaining fight, even if they aren't on a win-streak at the moment? If I was a young fighter, I'd definitely ere towards MMA for this reason. Nate Diaz is 4- 6 in his last 10 fights and he's still in line for an 8 figure pay-day in his next fight. Why? Because he's extremely talented and extremely entertaining. Heck, even Conor McGregor has 2 L's on his record. Its not like he's shown himself to be a flawless or transcendent fighter. He's just FUN.
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Imo, this is part of the problem in boxing. Guys lose a couple fights and suddenly theyre washed up. No other combat sport has this approach to their fighters. One or two losses totally derails a guy's career. Why isn't there any interest in watching guys who are talented and game for an entertaining fight, even if they aren't on a win-streak at the moment?


This is a silly statement, even by this thread's standards....Very few, if any top-level boxers, stay undefeated past their first 20 or so fights. Canelo Alvarez, who will be part of the biggest legitimate boxing match of the year, got his behind whipped by Mayweather...badly...three years ago and he's recovered. Shane Mosley, Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Roy Jones, Oscar de La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Muhammad Ali, etc. etc....all had losses, some of them got knocked out. All of them made plenty of money and kept their stardom.

And for years there have been great entertaining gatekeepers. Auturo Gatti is probably the best example. Micky Ward, Ricardo Mayorga, Glen Johnson, Luis Collazzo, Chop Chop Corley tons of guys that can get an opponent for a main eventer or headline a regular TV card and can generally take a good punch.

Berto is probably one of those guys too now. He's a former belt holder and a highly touted prospect at one point but he'll never be or beat a top guy. 

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