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American super-featherweight Rod Salka came in rocking a wall-themed set of trunks with "America 1st" written on them. He left with the same shorts and a big old L, by way of Mexico's Francisco Vargas.

If you're gonna try to play the butthole role at least be able to back it up SMH

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/mbxkjv/mexican-boxer-destroys-american-fighter-wearing-trump-wall-shorts
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Wall is going up. Looks nice so far.


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Wall is going up. Looks nice so far.


not better than that knockout 😂😂😂😂
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Wall is going up. Looks nice so far.




Just curious, are the invoices being sent straight to Mexico for payment or is the U.S. paying the invoices and then getting reimbursed by Mexico?  
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Nah you will see the invoice as a bill in your mailbox shortly
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Just curious, are the invoices being sent straight to Mexico for payment or is the U.S. paying the invoices and then getting reimbursed by Mexico?  
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Who cares? It is a national security must. Those hundred missiles we shot off at Syria cost more than the wall Construction that has taken place so far.
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forget all that political b.s.! dude got knocked out trying to showboat & did zero to back up the trash talk & douchebaggery … his boxing license should be revoked 😂😂😂😂
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Who cares? It is a national security must. Those hundred missiles we shot off at Syria cost more than the wall Construction that has taken place so far.


Why is it a must?  Those pesky Mexicans giving you problems... If all the illegals leave Hillsborough are you going to go out there and pick the Oranges and strawberries or tell your son to start a career in Agriculture?  

So if you get a bill right now for $20,000 and it says "Do your part, pay for the wall" Your going to be like "Okay its a must so I will do it"

Just curious. 
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But back to the point of it all... don't write checks your azz can't cash. 
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Dude will forever be known for this rather than anything else he did in the ring. Thanks for playing, snapperhead. Pick up your set of steak knives on the way out.

Wonder if he regrets being used as a tool of political interests. Whether or not he believes in all that is pretty much irrelevant now.
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Here's a riddle...

Those who don't support a border wall for border security, do they leave their home unlocked and invite anyone in while away at work?  I think not but not 100% sure.  Just curious.
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Here's a riddle...

Those who don't support a border wall for border security, do they leave their home unlocked and invite anyone in while away at work?  I think not but not 100% sure.  Just curious.


Thor, I'll bite.  

I don't support a border wall, but I do lock my home when I leave for the day and when I go to bed at night.  But, I realize that locking my door is just a deterrent; it's not a guaranty that someone won't break through a window or kick down my down if they want to get in badly enough.  

Similarly, the U.S. "locks its doors" with border patrol agents.  Like many others on this board, I suspect, I have seen them at work and in action.  They do their job well.  Their mere presence, like a lock on a door, is enough to keep out the vast majority of those trying to enter our country illegally.  

Let me ask you a riddle back:  will a border wall put a stop to human beings entering our country illegally?  Drones can carry packages; can they not lift a human over a wall?  What about tunnels? Or cars and trucks.  Illegals are smuggled into the U.S. in vehicles every day.  There's an old saying, "where there's a will, there's a way."  I admit that a wall would make it more difficult.  But I could install 5 bolt locks on every door of my house and put iron bars over every window.  That would make it considerably more difficult for someone to break in, but they could still find a way (hey, I watch the Mission Impossible and the Ocean's movies -- if I can get in and out, someone else can get in and out).   

To me, a border wall is merely a symbol -- a symbol of xenophobia.  And because I don't think it would solve the problem (again, admittedly, it might make it more difficult for foreigners to try to enter our county from the south, but it would not eliminate the problem), I think the money could be better spent on other things -- like teachers and education.  Or paying down our deficit.  

One more riddle for you:  I assume that when you leave your house, you lock your front door and your back door, right?  So do you also support a wall along the U.S./Canadian border?  If not, why not?  Is it only Mexicans that you don't want to enter illegally?  Are you OK with Canadians crossing illegally? Because they look more like 'us?'  While the level of play might drop a little, I'm pretty sure the NHL could still field competitive hockey teams without those Canadians coming down here and taking away the jobs of kids from Michigan and Minnesota.  

My final observation is that I think Trump sold the American people a false bill of goods.  He sold them on a wall that they would not have to pay for.  Mexico was going to pay for it.  Remember?  Well, that's not happening.  But the Trump supporters aren't willing to turn their back on him and say "Hey, you said someone else was going to pay for this?  If that's not going to be the case, then I don't support it.  It cost too much for the little value that it will provide."  I also tend to believe that this is a legacy thing for Trump.  If he could put his name on it, he would.  Just like his hotels and buildings and casinos -- most of which were built with somebody else's money, as well.  

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Perspective here's a riddle for you.  You're a lawyer, right?  I think you are.
So you are definitely more schooled in rhetoric and argumentation theory.

So I will write a response when I have time, but in the interim here's the riddle.

Why do you call me xenophobic?  Sure you say, "To me..." which means to you I am xenophobic.
Why do you insinuate that I am a racist?  Because I did not specify where a "wall" should be?

I believe these are called ad hominem?  Right?

One particular point, you ask a riddle back about the efficacy of a "wall".  Is this an example of a straw man?

There is a lot of ignorance about a "wall" and immigration.  I am not calling anyone ignorant or a fool.  I am saying many people are uneducated about what is happening and so resort to regurgitating what is heard on the news, little soundbites like "who's gonna pick your oranges?"  That... is another straw man argument that exposes either hyperbole or lack of knowledge about who the majority of illegal immigrants are.
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One final riddle, Perspective.  

Are we a nation of laws?  Or do we simply don't enforce the laws we cannot enforce 100%?

Are you saying we just shrug our shoulders because there's nothing we can do?
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And one more final riddle, lol, Perspective.

If someone can break into your home regardless if your doors are locked, because, "when there's a will there's a way." why even lock your doors in the first place?
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my riddle is finding a mexican boxer with "screw trump" shorts on that's get knocked out… then maybe that'll make some of you happy and actually talk about obnoxious boxers writing checks their butt can't cash instead of irrelevant crap 😂😂😂😂
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Perspective here's a riddle for you.  You're a lawyer, right?  I think you are.
So you are definitely more schooled in rhetoric and argumentation theory.

So I will write a response when I have time, but in the interim here's the riddle.

Why do you call me xenophobic?  Sure you say, "To me..." which means to you I am xenophobic.
Why do you insinuate that I am a racist?  Because I did not specify where a "wall" should be?

I believe these are called ad hominem?  Right?

One particular point, you ask a riddle back about the efficacy of a "wall".  Is this an example of a straw man?

There is a lot of ignorance about a "wall" and immigration.  I am not calling anyone ignorant or a fool.  I am saying many people are uneducated about what is happening and so resort to regurgitating what is heard on the news, little soundbites like "who's gonna pick your oranges?"  That... is another straw man argument that exposes either hyperbole or lack of knowledge about who the majority of illegal immigrants are.


Thor, your opening riddle gives me the impression that you support a border wall.  If you don't, please say so.  JD apparently supports it, as well.  You both are entitled to your opinions and beliefs. I respect that.  A large number of Americans support the border wall, just as a large number oppose it. I just happen to be one of the ones who opposes it (primarily, because I think it's a colossal waste of money).  

The only "border wall" that has been part of the national debate over the last couple of years is the one along the Mexican border.  I threw out the idea of a border wall along the Canadian border to get a better understanding of why one is so desperately needed, but the other has not even been mentioned (to my knowledge).  

For a country built on the backs of immigrants, I'm troubled by people who, now that they are on the ship, want to pull all the ropes up and not let anyone else on board.  That said, I also believe that our nation's immigration policy can be both reasonable and humane.  That doesn't mean that we have to let anyone and everyone into the country and it certainly doesn't mean that we can't have safeguards in place to limit the influx of aliens.  Reasonable people can differ on what the magic numbers should be, how the process should work, and how we handle those already in the country.  

I told you what I believe the wall would symbolize.  Supporters of Trump and the border wall would likely view it as a symbol of strength and security.  That being said, I'm pretty darn sure that I didn't call you xenophobic or racist, nor did I insinuate either.  I've got well over a thousand posts on this board and I try my hardest to avoid name-calling or labeling people.  I also try to respect the 'other point of view,' even when I disagree with it -- as is the case here.  Admittedly, I do try to point out what I believe to be the short-comings and logical flaws in posts that contain opinions and positions contrary to mine.  Part of my training, I guess.  But I'm also a firm believer that rarely are issues like this one (i.e., immigration) black and white.  If, by asking questions and pointing out logical weaknesses, I can make someone like you reflect on your position just a little, or if I can get somebody else to abandon their blind faith in a particular person or party, I'm good with that.  

Just because I see the wall as a symbol of xenophobia and just because you support the wall does not make you xenophobic. That would be another logical fallacy.  You might support the wall because you have friends or relatives in Texas that own a wall-building company and you're hoping that they may profit from the construction of a border wall.  I don't know.  I'll leave that ball in your court.


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And one more final riddle, lol, Perspective.

If someone can break into your home regardless if your doors are locked, because, "when there's a will there's a way." why even lock your doors in the first place?


Simple answer to this one:  because my wife says "make sure you lock the doors."   [biggrin]
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A riddle:

Isn't this that you said, "For a county built on the backs of immigrants, I'm troubled by people who, now that they are on the ship, want to pull all the ropes up and not let anyone else on board." a straw man? (bold italics added)

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Perspective here's a riddle for you.  You're a lawyer, right?  I think you are.
So you are definitely more schooled in rhetoric and argumentation theory.

So I will write a response when I have time, but in the interim here's the riddle.

Why do you call me xenophobic?  Sure you say, "To me..." which means to you I am xenophobic.
Why do you insinuate that I am a racist?  Because I did not specify where a "wall" should be?

I believe these are called ad hominem?  Right?

One particular point, you ask a riddle back about the efficacy of a "wall".  Is this an example of a straw man?

There is a lot of ignorance about a "wall" and immigration.  I am not calling anyone ignorant or a fool.  I am saying many people are uneducated about what is happening and so resort to regurgitating what is heard on the news, little soundbites like "who's gonna pick your oranges?"  That... is another straw man argument that exposes either hyperbole or lack of knowledge about who the majority of illegal immigrants are.


You live out there... I have volunteered out there and I saw what happened to the cotton fields in Georgia when they went super hard on immigration.  Lets just say the folks that wanted them gone did not want to pick up the work they were doing.  The same will happen here... Unintended consequences and yes the MAJORITY of the Ag workers are illegal immigrants.  
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And one more final riddle, lol, Perspective.

If someone can break into your home regardless if your doors are locked, because, "when there's a will there's a way." why even lock your doors in the first place?


The cost to secure your home or make it more difficult for someone to violate your space is substantially less and more effective than the cost to put up a border wall on side of the US. 
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Thor, your opening riddle gives me the impression that you support a border wall.  If you don't, please say so.  JD apparently supports it, as well.  You both are entitled to your opinions and beliefs. I respect that.  A large number of Americans support the border wall, just as a large number oppose it. I just happen to be one of the ones who oppose it (primarily, because I think it's a colossal waste of money).  

The only "border wall" that has been part of the national debate over the last couple of years is the one along the Mexican border.  I threw out the idea of a border wall along the Canadian border to get a better understanding of why one is so desperately needed, but the other has not even been mentioned (to my knowledge).  

For a county built on the backs of immigrants, I'm troubled by people who, now that they are on the ship, want to pull all the ropes up and not let anyone else on board.  That said, I also believe that our nation's immigration policy can be both reasonable and humane.  That doesn't mean that we have to let anyone and everyone into the country and it certainly doesn't mean that we can't have safeguards in place to limit the influx of aliens.  Reasonable people can differ on what the magic numbers should be, how the process should work, and how we handle those already in the country.  

I told you what I believe the wall would symbolize.  Supporters of Trump and the border wall would likely view it as a symbol of strength and security.  That being said, I'm pretty darn sure that I didn't call you xenophobic or racist, nor did I insinuate either.  I've got well over a thousand posts on this board and I try my hardest to avoid name-calling or labeling people.  I also try to respect the 'other point of view,' even when I disagree with it -- as is the case here.  Admittedly, I do try to point out what I believe to be the short-comings and logical flaws in posts that contain opinions and positions contrary to mine.  Part of my training, I guess.  But I'm also a firm believer that rarely are issues like this one (i.e., immigration) black and white.  If, by asking questions and pointing out logical weaknesses, I can make someone like you reflect on your position just a little, or if I can get somebody else to abandon their blind faith in a particular person or party, I'm good with that.  

Just because I see the wall as a symbol of xenophobia and just because you support the wall does not make you xenophobic. That would be another logical fallacy.  You might support the wall because you have friends or relatives in Texas that own a wall-building company and you're hoping that they may profit from the construction of a border wall.  I don't know.  I'll leave that ball in your court.




1. A hit dog will holler
2. I need to do some research on who has the Government contract for this wall and buy up some stock.
3. I need to see if any of these wall building companies need a person with a particular set of skills. 
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Man, I put in "riddle" knowing you wouldn't read it.  Guess I was wrong about your consistencies. LOL

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He started with "here's a riddle" so I kept scrolling LOL. 


But you know...

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Man, I put in "riddle" knowing you wouldn't read it.  Guess I was wrong about your consistencies. LOL



But you know...



But ya didn't hit on anything... Except showing you were offended by some of perspectives perspectives..

Also I am a Gemini... Never respond to the same situation the same. 
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Hollerin' again, huh?  LOL
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The cost to secure your home or make it more difficult for someone to violate your space is substantially less and more effective than the cost to put up a border wall on side of the US. 


What does it cost to secure my home?

What does it cost to secure the border?  ...divided by 300 + million people.
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Ok, Perspective, you say, “ …I try my hardest to avoid name-calling or labeling people.  I also try to respect the 'other point of view' …Admittedly, I do try to point out what I believe to be the short-comings and logical flaws… “ 

I most heartedly agree.  I respect and admire how you can phrase words that most often are not offensive.  But none of us are perfect which is why I found your recent post to be uncharacteristic in a few spots.  To say support for a wall, in your opinion is xenophobic is indirectly calling those who support a wall xenophobic, regardless of your intent.

To ask if someone who supports a wall on the southern border but not on the northern border because “they look more like me” insinuates bigotry at best and racism at worst, regardless of the intent of those words.

In these ways you pointed out “short-comings and logical flaws” with ad hominem.

That's all, no harm no foul, just pointing it out.  Not offended, in reference to Peezy's misinterpretation.

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So, Perspective, respecting your view that a wall will do very little to stop illegal immigration, here is my rebuttal.  I’ll try and refrain from hyperbole, straw men and ad hominem.  These are my beliefs and things that are factual, at least to the best of my memory, which ain’t as good as it used to be.

 

1.  I believe immigration is beneficial for the U.S.

2.  The primary purpose should be to benefit the U.S. as a whole, with few exceptions.

3.  More than 6 in 10 illegal persons are those who came here legally, i.e., agricultural workers, and overstayed their visa.  We do little about this.

4.  Those workers, legal and illegal, benefit our country with lower food prices.

5.  Those workers, legal and illegal, depress wages which is most harmful to minorities and teenagers.  It’s the economic law of supply and demand:  more workers equal lower pay.

6.  When the wall is mentioned, it is not just a wall.  It encompasses a tangible wall in places, patrolled by border agents, and it includes sections where there is no wall but more patrols.

7.  We need to get rid of jus soli.

8.  The major immigration law of 1924 had two major provisions:  one was that immigrants with skills vital to our economy be given precedent; two was that immigration was limited by country according to the 1920 census, i.e., if 3% of Americans were from Germany, only 3% of new immigrants could come from Germany on a certain year.  This was to balance immigrants to maintain the balance of ethnicities presently in the country in 1920.  This law eventually came to be seen as racist because it favored Northern Europeans.  So the law was changed in 1965, that effected placing Europeans at the bottom in favor of others, partly for diversity.  And was not considered racist?

9.  Diversity for diversity’s sake.  Why is this good or bad?  Analogy.  We need an equal number of white tailbacks in the NFL as black tailbacks… for diversity’s sake.

10.  In 1965, immigration reform was passed.  Of 7 primary provisions, the one where skills and education deemed important to this country was moved to number 6 I think.  What came before was family.  Now family is important.  I value my family over yours and I value American families over non-American families. 

11.  Here is the effect of 1965:  chain-migration. Family members moved to the front of the line.  I immigrate here legally.  I become a citizen.  I can then sponsor my children, my wife, my parents, and my siblings.  Then my children can bring their spouses who can bring their parents and their siblings, ad infinitum.  What comes in are some with skills, many without skills or education, and the elderly.  The primary results are low-skilled workers who compete with low-skilled Americans for jobs.  Another is the parents brought over, the aunts the uncles, who are at retirement age, who’ve never paid into our social welfare safety nets, Social Security and Medicare, but are now eligible for it.  That hurts our American families, our elderly.

12.  Don’t get me wrong, I have a heart.  I want to help.  But with limited resources we cannot help all. Let’s help ourselves first.

13.  We have limited resources to help the world just as we have limited resources for border security.  Focus where the threat is greatest.

14.  We already built a wall on the southern border, or at least paid for it.  We paid Mexico to build a wall on their southern border…

15.  I am for a society built on law.  When we stop enforcing some laws or enforce them inconsistently, it leads at least to confusion and sows the conditions for more law-breaking, a lawless society.  I am all for life, liberty, property.  But you bet your life if you think you have liberty to enter my property uninvited.

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What does it cost to secure my home?

What does it cost to secure the border?  ...divided by 300 + million people.


Too many variables..

You could buy regular locks or have a full brigade with land mind field and anything in between. 
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"When we stop enforcing some laws or enforce them inconsistently"


You don't say... (as I sip my coffee at starbucks not purchased from starbucks.)

Why are we ruining our boxing thread BTW... GET THIS ISHT TO THE OTHER BOARD!
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Too many variables..

You could buy regular locks or have a full brigade with land mind field and anything in between. 


Lol, can’t answer the question? You posed the cost differential.

IDK pretty good boxing match to me, lol. Take it over to the other if you want.

The opening post combined sports and politics for an athlete who combined sports and politics. But I’m glad we can both agree that the two shouldn’t mix, like kneeling for the National Anthem. Jeesh! Let’s keep the two separate so we can have our differences and still enjoy sports together. Good idea, Peezy!
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nice try! but the opening post combined a guy trying to troll an opponent & not be able to back up his trash talk… you made it into politics… i'm still trying to find a mexican boxer trolling an american & getting knocked out so you will feel better 🤦‍♂️
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LOL. Uh, Les, thanks for exaggerating my ability for turning this into politics but, um, JD posted second. I would like to give him some credit. And I know you are the consummate open-minded, centrist but you often have difficulty seeing the forest for the trees. If you look. closely at your initial post... it’s about boxing, a sport and then in the link you posted it says trump-wall-shorts. I think most would agree that is highly politicized. So I give you the most credit. Good job!

I know it can be confusing, like when you said
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wow! what a vomit of a diatribe there... whoever said this crap is "society's ills" 😂😂😂😂
 

And when you find it wasn’t me but Chris Rock you started quoting him in admiration. So I can see how you got confused with this thread and your post.

Now let’s honor Peezy and take it to the appropriate page if you desire.
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nice try again...

1. JD said what he said & kept it moving… you've been writing small dissertations repeatedly

2. yes it's political!! but it's FUNNY everyone loves when the troll/bad guy loses that's why people have been paying top money to see Mayweather lose the past 2 decades… so whether a wall is need or not is irrelevant… ex: there's a good story about a cop helping a citizen & some dufus goes on & on about how it would've been totally different if the person was black & spouting out random unsubstantiated statistics instead of just saying that cop did a good job

3. you had the Rock amiraton not me — all i did was quote chris rock quotes that i knew you wouldn't agree with… & i'm more of a Tony Rock guy 

4. forget that wall! if they build it cool… if they don't cool… 
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Tony Rock is definitely a better stand up comedian....  I absolutely can answer that question THOR let me come to your house and do a home security assessment and I can write you up a quote with my contacts... I don't do security but I can get you a nice deal with paradigm and it won't cost you your split of the 6 billion dollar wall man

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Why is it a must?  Those pesky Mexicans giving you problems... If all the illegals leave Hillsborough are you going to go out there and pick the Oranges and strawberries or tell your son to start a career in Agriculture?  

So if you get a bill right now for $20,000 and it says "Do your part, pay for the wall" Your going to be like "Okay its a must so I will do it"

Just curious. 


It's a must to HELP keep drug cartels out, to stop Obama-style migration filled with MS13 posers, to stop RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS from crossing through the southern border, etc. Do you need any other reasons? Pick out any one of those, without even going into the burden of the COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION on our schools, states, and health care system.

Am I clear?
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It's a must to HELP keep drug cartels out, to stop Obama-style migration filled with MS13 posers, to stop RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS from crossing through the southern border, etc. Do you need any other reasons? Pick out any one of those, without even going into the burden of the COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION on our schools, states, and health care system.

Am I clear?


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It's a must to HELP keep drug cartels out, to stop Obama-style migration filled with MS13 posers, to stop RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS from crossing through the southern border, etc. Do you need any other reasons? Pick out any one of those, without even going into the burden of the COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION on our schools, states, and health care system.

Am I clear?


Just like banning bump stocks and assault weapons won't stop someone from shooting up a school... This will not stop any of the above you said and no study says it will... This is for show and for the voters. 

Which Radical Islamic Terrorist Group came from Mexico?  Please inform.


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If Politifact reports "it's mostly true" I'd say, yeah, it's true.  So I post this instead of other sources you'd find dubious or overly biased from the right.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/apr/04/ron-desantis/terrorists-groups-besides-isis-crossing-us-mexico-/
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"Foreign-born Islamic terrorists have used almost every conceivable means of entering the country over the last decade. They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been lawful permanent residents (LPRs) and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have sneaked across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, or been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even exploited America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. At the time they committed their crimes, 16 of the 48 terrorists considered in this analysis were on temporary visas (primarily tourist visas); another 17 were lawful permanent residents or naturalized U.S. citizens; 12 were illegal aliens; and 3 of the 48 had applications for asylum pending."


https://cis.org/How-Terrorists-Get

Including from Canada...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-reports-show-terror-suspects-coming-from-canada-while-trump-stares-at-mexico
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So we do need a wall along the Canadian border, too!  [biggrin]
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Yes, like along the southern border.  Not a complete wall/fortress America but border security which includes a myriad of assets, one of which is a barrier (some would say wall) in areas deemed the greatest threat.  That article mentioned three locations, one being Michigan.  

Or we can say screw and save money to spend on something else!  
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Just like banning bump stocks and assault weapons won't stop someone from shooting up a school... This will not stop any of the above you said and no study says it will... This is for show and for the voters. 

Which Radical Islamic Terrorist Group came from Mexico?  Please inform.




I was all for banning bump stocks. At least without a stamp or extra precaution, like they do with silencers. 

Comparing the northern and southern borders is like comparing apples to oranges. We need better northern security as well, but the mass migrations come through Mexico, plain and simple.

I'm not a heartless nativist. I'm not against legal immigration. Just illegal mass migrations that hurt the country economically and pose a serious threat to our safety as U.S. citizens. Look how much of our prison population is made up of illegals from Mexican gangs and cartels? This doesn't even include the MS13 types and people from other S. American gangs. Some states are over-run with illegals filling their schools, hospitals, social services, etc. Again, sensible and legal immigration is the only way to keep the country secure and assimilated properly. Remember, the melting pot that champions American ideals? That is what made us a great country. Not rejecting American culture, ideals, and the English language. This is what happens when thousand and thousand of people are let in illegally on a weekly basis.
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"Foreign-born Islamic terrorists have used almost every conceivable means of entering the country over the last decade. They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been lawful permanent residents (LPRs) and naturalized U.S. citizens. They have sneaked across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, or been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even exploited America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. At the time they committed their crimes, 16 of the 48 terrorists considered in this analysis were on temporary visas (primarily tourist visas); another 17 were lawful permanent residents or naturalized U.S. citizens; 12 were illegal aliens; and 3 of the 48 had applications for asylum pending."


https://cis.org/How-Terrorists-Get

Including from Canada...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-reports-show-terror-suspects-coming-from-canada-while-trump-stares-at-mexico


So what your saying is short of creating a huge bubble that goes coast to coast border to border FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA! all the the way to the stratosphere and all the way down to the earths core... we are not going to stop a terrorist from entering the country with a wall on parts of the mexican border...

That's what I got from that... So waste of money or nah?
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no matter what you do you can't stop crazies or criminals from breaking the law so why change it? *sarcasm
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I see the importance of border security and controlling who enters our country. 

I don't think the Wall is going to meet the intended purpose and is just a big "for show" thing.  Honestly I think Trump has done enough already good and bad that he doesn't need the wall to define his presidency.

I hope it doesn't end up like the Wall in Westeros. 
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