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vsmfloridafb

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http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/manny-pacquiao-fight-hbo-espn.html

HBO PPV doesn't want two shows in a month and they are already committed to the much superior Ward-Kovalev fight (sorry marduk...Ward wins in an easy breezy decision). 

So ESPN is apparently ready to step up to the plate. Not sure if it'll be under the rarely used ESPN PPV moniker or if they will make it a network fight. Nov. 5 is right during the meat of their college football season so reserving the big channel for a three-hour fight card might be impossible. Maybe they move their primetime game to ABC. 

I would assume CBS and Showtime are out of the picture. 

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You poor thing. Ward isn't winning, let alone easily.

Let me refresh your memory: Ward has defeated punchers, yes, but none as vicious as Kovalev. But Kovalev has defeated boxers, and Hopkins was still fighting at a high level and could've probably beaten anyone else in the division. He went down 2x and lost every round.

That is what will happen to SOG. He's not Floyd and isn't going to be able to get out of the way of the perpetual pressure coming his way.
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Yeah, you're using a 50-year-old boxer as your example. Can't take that one seriously. 

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Fifty isn't what it was. This isn't an era like something out of Logan's Run in which 30 is a death sentence. So you should take it seriously.
I was never a Hopkins fan but he kept himself in incredible condition. He was able to baffle and frustrate most of his opponents better than anyone, all the way til that last fight.
Only two guys do I remember whipped his a*s, Calzaghe and Kovalev.
Ward has fought some incredibly bad tune ups since his return. This is not going to benefit him.
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vsmfloridafb

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Surely you don't have Kovalev sparring with some guys from the local bridge club to back this up?
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Not sure what you mean...but ok. His 3 fights since getting out of the Goossen deal have smelled worse than those Olympic pools. Kovalev has at least fought Pascal and Chilemba, who were at least competent.

I'm just saying Ward isn't speedy enough to dodge everything he'll get thrown at him. And what does hit him is going to f***ing hurt -- a lot. 

Ward is a great fighter, no doubt, but he doesn't have that same nasty edge that Kovalev has. He's a counter puncher with better than average power, and that won't do against a guy who will justifiable have zero fear of his fists. It's possible he could get frustrated with Ward and get sloppy but I think he's more focused and disciplined than that.

Kovalev fights like the classic Mexican fighters like Chavez (no, not his pothead kid): he keeps coming forward but eventually cuts off the ring and starts swinging the axe until the tree falls. And he's probably still pissed that he couldn't fight Stevenson and unify the belts.
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.... What normally happens to these Mexican style fighters when they meet a sly boxing counter puncher especially those that don't "fear" the others fists (all boxers should fear the next even if its Corey fickin Spinx... any pro boxer can be KO'd).

You basically spelled the recipe for disaster for Kovalev. 
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Ward is exactly what you described -- a sly counter puncher -- but he's not facing a guy with a similar style, let alone a one-dimensional slugger that is easily outfoxed and frustrated. And he's not as fast as Mayweather, who could dodge just about anything anyone threw. 

He's an exceptional anticipator (if it wasn't a word, it is now) of what his opponent will do before he even does it. I don't think it will matter. Between his absurd time away and his abysmal tuneup fights since returning, I simply believe he's jumping up too soon to face someone too good.

Kovalev is a killer. Literally and figuratively. Last guy who fought him in Russia before Chilemba met his maker from his punches. Fighters like him walk you down. And everything he throws hurts...jabs, straight punches, uppercuts, everything.

I'm not dumb enough to think I'm dead on with this one but most guys who go up in weight fight opponents whose difficulty level escalates steadily. Ward is going from Bud Light to Hunahpu here, man. I would've rather seen him embarrass Chickenson first, then go for a unification, but Adonis (more like A Dumbass) won't fight anyone with any ability.
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.... What normally happens to these Mexican style fighters when they meet a sly boxing counter puncher especially those that don't "fear" the others fists (all boxers should fear the next even if its Corey fickin Spinx... any pro boxer can be KO'd).

You basically spelled the recipe for disaster for Kovalev. 


12 rounds of one guy looking for a death blow and leaving himself wide open to be tactically countered all fight. 

Sign me up!

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VSM, come on dude...Kovalev has never just gone out looking for a one and done punch. You have him confused with Stevenson, who has little beyond that overhand left. Kovalev generally looks to punish guys for a while. The rematch with Pascal was just one example.

Ward is a great boxer but he's moving up--after very little time and competition in the division--to face a guy who has a (slight) reach advantage and exponentially more vicious slugging power. Unless he's pulled a Sugar Ray and gained a bunch of muscle like he did to fight Hagler, he's gonna get hit with some painful shots.

This guy isn't a plodding super middleweight, he's a natural LH that has frying pans for hands.
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VSM if you thought Ward won that, the wizard never got back to you about that brain. Utter bullf*ckingsh!t. Done with this corrupt excuse for a sport.
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Boo hoo. Close fights yield close decisions. 

Kevin Iole and Paulie M both had Ward winning by the same scorecard. Rafael had Kovalev winning 115-112. Problem is HBO viewers get Lederman's horrible card which had Kovalev winning the ninth round (a joke) and even Kellerman and Roy said the fight was even after nine. Lederman used to be a reliable scorer but now he's a fan. And then there's Lampley's "OH MY GOD HE'S DOING IT" commentary.

Peezy saw Sky Sports' superior broadcast and they were explaining why Ward was winning rounds throughout. 

I thought Kovalev won but only based on me giving him the 11th round which was a 114-113 scorecard. Thought he won five rounds clearly, thought Ward won four and there were three swing rounds in there. Looking at the judge's scorecards they gave all the swing rounds to Ward, with the exception of one judge giving Kovalev the fifth.

There wasn't one round on the card that went to Ward that you can say he clearly lost. There wasn't one round the didn't go to Kovalev that you can say he won without a doubt. There were a lot of close rounds. 

It was a great fight. I liked Kovalev's fast start, I liked Ward's toughness and commitment to working the body in the clinches and draining the bigger guy's energy. I liked Kovalev's toughness when he fought back in the late rounds because I thought he was done after the ninth round. I like boxing. I can appreciate it from all facets. 

Oh well, you'll be missed. 

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Oh I missed this post
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