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What the hell has become of boxing? Fury just pushed and came straight forward. Wilder was too dumb or too lazy to use his feet to tire out the 280 lb fat guy? 

Really a pathetic display of "boxing". And as big as both guys are, there were very few hard punches that landed. Wilder went out because he had a busted ear drum because he has no f#$S%ing lateral movement. 

215 lb Ali would beat the living shi% out of either of these clowns.
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What the hell has become of boxing? Fury just pushed and came straight forward. Wilder was too dumb or too lazy to use his feet to tire out the 280 lb fat guy? 

Really a pathetic display of "boxing". And as big as both guys are, there were very few hard punches that landed. Wilder went out because he had a busted ear drum because he has no f#$S%ing lateral movement. 

215 lb Ali would beat the living shi% out of either of these clowns.


any of those older generation boxers would, Tyson, Ali, Louis, Frazier, Forman

none of the current heavyweights could compete with those guys

I love the excuse Wilder had, that the 45 LB costume he wore on the walk in was what wore his legs out, please dude, you got beat, and couldnt protect yourself. 
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any of those older generation boxers would, Tyson, Ali, Louis, Frazier, Forman

none of the current heavyweights could compete with those guys

I love the excuse Wilder had, that the 45 LB costume he wore on the walk in was what wore his legs out, please dude, you got beat, and couldnt protect yourself. 


There is no universe in which any of those guys is beating a 6 foot 9, 273 lb monster like Fury. Period, next paragraph, new topic. He's too big, too strong, and deceptively quick.

Ali and Foreman would've maybe boxed well enough to wear him down with body shots. But they would've taken a ton of power shots and ended up wondering what day it was by fight's end. Like Wilder. Yesterday's heavies simply can't be compared with today's because biology always wins when you're giving up half a foot in height and 40 pounds.

Wilder just didn't have a plan B for Fury coming forward the whole fight, legs or not. Next time, come out like Tyson with a towel. Abandon the pageantry. 

JD, he didn't have a ruptured eardrum from what has been reported. He had a cut inside his ear that required a couple stitches.

What wore him down was the dirty fighting in the clinches. Fury had him in a reverse headlock every time and the ref did a piss-awful job of breaking it up, let alone warning him.

Wilder should be thanking Breland for not letting him end up like Adonis Stevenson. We'll get a 3rd fight late this summer to settle the argument, unfortunately...rematch clause means no all-British scrap to unify the belts, not yet at least.


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I usually agree with you Marduk, but I don't think fury could hit any of those heavy weights. He'd wear himself out trying to get near them. His power is not impressive compared to forman and that ilk. these heavyweight simply cannot box. I guess Joshua kind of has a build where he would be a good boxer, but who knows.
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I usually agree with you Marduk, but I don't think fury could hit any of those heavy weights. He'd wear himself out trying to get near them. His power is not impressive compared to forman and that ilk. these heavyweight simply cannot box. I guess Joshua kind of has a build where he would be a good boxer, but who knows.


Did a little research on the interwebs. Here's what I found as far as reach goes:

Mike Tyson: 71"
Frazier: 73"
Ali: 78"
Foreman: 80"
Tyson Fury: 85"

You give up that much in reach, let alone height, it's just near impossible to do anything with sustained frequency and effectiveness. Ali and Foreman might've been able to put in work but Ali was light for a guy who was only about 6 foot 3. 

Doing what you do from an elevated position offers some advantages. Mainly force. It's a moot point to argue what-ifs but the evolution of fighters is almost parallel to the evolution of technology. A Macintosh SE isn't going to beat a new Macbook Pro in anything.

Joshua didn't have the chin to stand up to a Gabriel Iglesias looking little dude so forget his chances against anyone you mentioned. Fury took a bomb from Wilder in the first fight and sat up a few seconds later. I think Iron Mike would've treated him like the other tall bums he wasted (Bruno, Ruddock, etc.) and Ali in his prime would've taken him apart at the joints.

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