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https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2016/04/25/sergey-kovalev-vs-andre-ward/

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Now that's how a fight should be made. It'll tide me over just fine 'til the Canelo-GGG throwdown.

Still stand by my prediction that Kovalev will win. Ward is a great fighter, but he's going to face a killer. And I haven't seen anyone yet who's taken that long off in their prime come back and win out.

He's not going to stand there with the Russian -- Ward is as far from stupid and impulsive as it gets -- but he won't be able to box and move. Kovalev is one of those guys who walks you down, cuts off the ring and then has his way with you. And he's not ploddingly slow so he'll touch Ward sooner or later and rattle his bones. 

Ward has faced punchers before and dealt with them, but none of them had the power this guy has. He ain't gonna be a tortoise like Froch was. Kovalev has some of the most destructive hands in the sport. Even his jabs land with thuds.

Light heavies used to be a turd division but there are so many guys in that division (or within a catch weight of it) that are crowd pleasers. Besides Kovalev, Ward, and Stevenson, there's Fonfara, who is fearless, and Beterbiev, the former Olympian who is coming off an injury and fighting some ground beef opponent on June 4th (and yes, it's free on ESPN; hallelujah for PBC).
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I still think Ward is the best "boxer" PFP right now.  He was facing down hard hitting 175lbs when he was really 160.  Only way I see him losing is if the Ring Rust has caught up.
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Kovalev won't land a significant punch. 

Still excited to see it.
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Ward is hard to hit, even in close quarters.  PFP he is definitely my favorite fighter right now.  But rust is real and you could see it in his offense in his last fight.  He did not get his punches off like he used to.
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Kovalev won't land a significant punch. 

Still excited to see it.


You need an MRI, and soon.

If anything it will be the other way around. Kovalev has been waiting for someone competent to get in there with at LH for a while now. Ward will find out how a true fighter at that weight hits and it will be a rude awakening.

I'd like to count Hopkins as a legitimate win for Kovalev, as his ring mastery was once legendary, but he looked more like a guy who couldn't wait to get his free donut at Dunkin with the AARP card.
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Ward took the punches from this LH Champ... I know VSM doesnt' like Chad but that dude used to have some serious power on his punches.... He just had the demeanor of a turtle and that eventually caught up to him




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Come on man. That fight is a bad example. Comparing Dawson to Kovalev is like saying Conor McGregor could hang with Mayweather because they've both put on boxing gloves and stepped into a ring.

IIRC Dawson cut weight to fight Ward and looked as bad as he possibly could. Definitely not the same guy that fought B-Hop.

Ward is a 360 fighter if there ever was one. He and Danny Garcia, those guys don't do anything exceptionally well but they mix up their games between boxing and slugging so well they're hard to get any traction against...unless you hit them hard and sting them. Which is exactly what I see Kovalev doing. 

I see Canelo/Khan going no more than 6 rounds tonight. A puffed up junior welterweight has no business being in there against a guy who fights at middleweight but enters the ring as a super middle/LH. Wish I had money to put on the over/under for this sh*t show.
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You were spot on. Khan showed skill for 4 out of the 6 but you saw thaT coming. Khan had no business in there hr could've been killed. Canelo vs GGG next or nothing
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If Khan can survive the aftermath of taking that punch he should be better for it. Lots of 147 options and he elevated his name by taking the risk.

If Catchweight Canelo fights anyone other than GGG than Oscar needs to be fired. We now know he can beat a blown up junior welterweight. Of course Kevin Iole is talking like Canelo-Cotto 2 is up next based on a previous agreement. 

Thing is as long as GGG gets in at 160 he will be easy to negotiate with. Doesn't want the bigger purse, happily on her B-side.

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You were spot on. Khan showed skill for 4 out of the 6 but you saw thaT coming. Khan had no business in there hr could've been killed. Canelo vs GGG next or nothing


Lucky prediction. Balances out my Pac-May call.

Khan was tagging him but not hurting him. Canelo walked him down and lowered the boom. Vicious shot.

Last fight I saw like that where a guy pretty much spotted the opponent the first handful of rounds and then dropped the hammer was Crawford when he fought Dulorme. Same result, too, 6th round KO. Love watching that kid fight. He's got a tough one next against Postol for title unification but I'm picking TC.

I really can't get a bead on the whole Canelo-GGG thing now that I think about it. The back and forth of who says what and who means whatever is worse than Trump vs. his opponents (Dem and Rep). But this is what people in the public eye have to do to move their product and I'm resigned to it. 

We all decry the name calling and related rhetoric, but that's the only way we usually get interested. In the words of Alec Baldwin (Glengarry Glen Ross), "Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired."

Middleweight is 154-160 so neither of these guys should complain about those limits. There is no reason for either of them to fight anyone else at this point, especially Canelo with regard to Cotto. No contender within a weight class of them could make for much of a fight.
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Kovalev did his part in keeping the fight on schedule by beating Chilemba, but that guy was tough. And he knew better than to get too close. Stayed outside and did a fair amount of hugging.

Anyone see that HBO special on Crawford? I thought it was great. Never knew Omaha was that rough of a place.

Looking forward to Wilder-Arreola to tide me over with the heavyweight division. Wilder should beat him but Arreola always has a punchers chance. His problem is that he bleeds like Dusty Rhodes after a razor blade to the dome after a couple shots, and Wilder will look to jab him into a transfusion with his superior reach.
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It was a fun little fight. Costly for Wilder as his fragile right hand is crushed again and he tore a bicep. Sucks because he had a top fight on foreign soil lined up and because Potvekin is a dirty fighter it couldn't happen.

On the good side the Wilder jab seems to be getting better and better with each fight. It's clearly one of those jabs that feels like a power punch. Unfortunately if his right hand breaks on contact the jab will be the only weapon he has left. 

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Arreola has always been Jab bait... It looks like this fight was made for Wilder to specifically get him working on his jab in what should be an easy target... granted CA does have KO power and any HW is dangerous Wilder never seemed hurt by him and did well working with 1 hand for most of the fight.

Torn Bicep though doesn't that take like 8 months to recover?
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Didn't know Wilder was injured til today...turned the TV off right after the stoppage so I didn't hear any post fight comments.
In fact, I didn't remember him having any history of hand problems but I guess he does. Not a good thing going forward.
Really don't worry about him against Povetkin, Klitschko or Fury. They're either past their prime or fat frauds. Joshua could give him a go but I don't see that fight happening until maybe late next year.
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I think Joshua would work him unfortunately. 
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Joshua only gives up an inch in both height and weight but he is much more muscled and strong. Wilder has had nearly twice as many fights, though, and I think that gives him an edge.
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Both have fought quite a few bums as well.... I think at this point Wilder has beat the better fighters.
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Both have fought quite a few bums as well.... I think at this point Wilder has beat the better fighters.


Agreed. And there's a lot that can happen between now and when they fight.

Joshua just seems to have a little bit of the necessary nasty edge needed to become elite. Wilder has it periodically, but is given to clowning occasionally as well, as the Arreola fight showed. That's the aspect of his style that I would be worried about if I were Wilder. And he hasn't really stood and traded with anyone who is close to his size yet. The inch he has in height and reach won't do him any good at close range.
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Agreed. And there's a lot that can happen between now and when they fight. Joshua just seems to have a little bit of the necessary nasty edge needed to become elite. Wilder has it periodically, but is given to clowning occasionally as well, as the Arreola fight showed. That's the aspect of his style that I would be worried about if I were Wilder. And he hasn't really stood and traded with anyone who is close to his size yet. The inch he has in height and reach won't do him any good at close range.


Wilder's a piece of trash.  He won't be able to stay in the ring with Joshua.  Wilder's got a glass jaw.  Joshua is clearly the class of his division.  I don't know why he would even waste his time with Wilder, other than pick up some easy pocket money.   If Wilder's smart, he'll get "hurt" right before the fight so he can avoid the azzkicking that he's going to get.  


[Disclaimer:  I know absolutely nothing about either fighter.  I don't even know if they're boxers, MMA guys or WWF dudes.  I just wanted to see how it feels to be some of the folks I see on social media posting political statements.  Actually, it was pretty liberating.   [wink] ]
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
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That Ward fight on Saturday was abysmal. So glad I waited til Sunday morning to watch it and watched the Olympics instead. Don't think Ward wanted to do much more than get some extended sparring in, else he would've gotten Brand out of there much, much earlier.

I saw nothing that would change my mind from thinking Kovalev will defeat him.

Ward is certainly capable of winning but Kovalev has just as much ring smarts and possesses far superior punching power. Although Ward has faced punchers before and beat them soundly (Froch and Kessler, specifically), neither one of those two hit like the Krusher does. I don't see his primarily counter punching approach working on a guy who has a slight reach advantage and a pair of fists that could put most of the heavys in bed with a Snuggie.
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Okay Gloves off

I think Ward fought a very smart inteligent fight... stayed composed after getting rocked and did enough to win although I could have seen it going the other way.

Marduk thinks it was the biggest travesty in sports and Ward was suppposed to stand in the corner and accept punches like a mexican fighter

Corey things it was a great fight and he would have given the 11th to Kovalev which would have given him the fight.
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Okay Gloves off

I think Ward fought a very smart inteligent fight... stayed composed after getting rocked and did enough to win although I could have seen it going the other way.

Marduk thinks it was the biggest travesty in sports and Ward was suppposed to stand in the corner and accept punches like a mexican fighter

Corey things it was a great fight and he would have given the 11th to Kovalev which would have given him the fight.


I blame the MMA world trying to infect itself in boxing. People watch a boxing match and want to see a fight. They would be better off going to the Kennedy on Thursday nights. 

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I know you don't like Pauli... But he is a smart and savvy boxing analyst.  You need to listen to his interview here.  Just hear me out on this one you should be able to agree with his boxing sense...




I think folk wanted Ward to just stand there and eat punches but that is Toughman and ButterBean or 2 non elite fighters like... Well we won't bring up that fight LOL... That isn't boxing.  Ward committed to the body at close range and kept Kovalev from getting at his power distance. 
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I know you don't like Pauli... But he is a smart and savvy boxing analyst.  You need to listen to his interview here.  Just hear me out on this one you should be able to agree with his boxing sense...

I think folk wanted Ward to just stand there and eat punches but that is Toughman and ButterBean or 2 non elite fighters like... Well we won't bring up that fight LOL... That isn't boxing.  Ward committed to the body at close range and kept Kovalev from getting at his power distance. 


I do like Paulie. But he's full of sh!t here.
And as far as what he thought he saw...wtf do you expect from a guy who has perhaps the least powerful punch of any so-called elite fighter ever? He's 36-7, and of his 36 wins a whopping 7 -- SEVEN!!! -- were by KO. Of course he's going to think the boxer should win cos he couldn't knock anyone out if he had Margarito's plastered gloves.

Don't think MMA has anything to do with people's perceptions or expectations, least of all mine. I don't really watch MMA, but I have been watching boxing since I was 5. First fight I remember watching was Ali's loss to Ken Norton in '73. So I'm a lot older than most of you and I've always liked a guy that took control of a fight and didn't run and dance. And Ali was more aggressive by miles than a chump like Ward.

I had to watch it again this weekend...Ward f***ing lost. Plain and simple. I thought Kovalev took rounds 1-5 plus 8 and 11. He was more effective in general. Ward clinched and held way too much. Every one of those judges should be smeared with bacon fat and thrown into pits with starving weasels. Virtually every respected boxing analyst not named Malignaggi thought Kovalev won also. 

Thankfully I fell asleep before that main event b/c it looked like the Axe Man did his own version of Duran and no mas. I'm still done with this sham of a sport...file it along with the NBA, which I haven't watched since Shaq left the Magic. 
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Yeahhh... I mean... I think I am going to take the eyes and view from a seasoned professional boxer over you know us Coach Corner guys LOL.
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Also Jones thought Ward won... and Max and Lennox Lewis.

YOu just pulled a take my ball and go home my didn't win so I am out LOL
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Also Jones thought Ward won... and Max and Lennox Lewis.

YOu just pulled a take my ball and go home my didn't win so I am out LOL


Well I think they're full of more sh1t than the Thanksgiving turkey before I pulled the giblets out of its chest too. Kellerman should know better, the other two are either punch drunk or stoned.

I get what you're saying but this was the final straw. Between fighters like Ward rewarded for running and hugging and the lack of a unified governing body, I no longer have any interest. 

Those who thought Ward are on the penumbra and there's a really good reason for it -- he deserved to lose by most sensible metrics. Lennox Lewis of all people should be ashamed, because if he had fought a guy like Chris Byrd back in his prime he would've gotten screwed in exactly the same fashion as Kovalev did. And he had a similar problem in his first fight against Holyfield, who wouldn't go near him except to elbow and grab and got rewarded for a draw. Proves that he's been getting after the vape in his retirement.
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Mcgregor just got his boxing license in Cally.....Look out that's all I'm sayin'
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Yoda,

If the McGregor and Floyd Fight Happens and your dumb enough to accept it I will bet ya $100 plus a whole night of drinking and eating at whatever place you choose... Take Berns I don't care its an easy win for me. 

Don't fall for the hype. 
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Yoda,

If the McGregor and Floyd Fight Happens and your dumb enough to accept it I will bet ya $100 plus a whole night of drinking and eating at whatever place you choose... Take Berns I don't care its an easy win for me. 

Don't fall for the hype. 


Oh I'm not dumb---I just wanna see him punk Floyd a time or two or three...I know Floyd will dodge him well enough and counter punch with the ferocity of a ferret.  
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I think that fight would mirror the Ricky Hatton fight... McGregor will put a lot of pressure on Floyd which will force him to fight more aggressive.  Possibly. 
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McGregor wouldn't land a punch and Floyd would make him look like jackass for about six rounds until he's exhausted and then knock him out with a jab and do a jig walking back to the corner.

Anyone who think McGregor could even land a single significant punch against Mayweather is a moron.

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McGregor wouldn't land a punch and Floyd would make him look like jackass for about six rounds until he's exhausted and then knock him out with a jab and do a jig walking back to the corner.

Anyone who think McGregor could even land a single significant punch against Mayweather is a moron.



That's not me.  I'm a Yoda.

But I'd love to see that little pipsqueak come jump in the octagon.  
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That's not me.  I'm a Yoda.

But I'd love to see that little pipsqueak come jump in the octagon.  


And if anybody thinks Floyd would get close to a cage or agree to any sort of fight with take downs, kicks and elbows is equally a dope. We know he'd get killed. They are two different sports. Like saying I'd love to see LeBron play hockey. He'd look like a fool on skates.

The difference is Floyd knows what he is and what he isn't going to do. I actually think McGregor would surround himself with enough goofballs to think he'd actually have a chance.

Would be a true-to-life version of the movie "The Great White Hype". They had "Irish" Terry Conklin feeling himself before he got knocked out in 45 seconds.

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Inherently, somewhere along the lines here I think you're trying to call me an idiot!

Anybody else read into that too? 
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Inherently, somewhere along the lines here I think you're trying to call me an idiot!

Anybody else read into that too? 


Nah. I like you too much not to tell you that in person [smile]

I might be there tomorrow...we'll see how smart you are!
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Where else would you go?  There's nothing more exciting going on in this town tomorrow night man.
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Where else would you go?  There's nothing more exciting going on in this town tomorrow night man.


Remember I live in St. Pete. Cool things happen in the 'Burg all the time. I might go or I might have something better working [smile].

But you know if I go I'll holler at you!

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Where else would you go?  There's nothing more exciting going on in this town tomorrow night man.


Actually Cirque Soleil holiday musical might be a little more exciting lol
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