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Helluva fight, but I can't remember the last time I saw a guy score two knockdowns and only get a draw. Those judges must've had some of that legal dro in California.

For Fury to get up from that last one...wow. Most guys would've stayed down and a lot of refs would've stopped it. Now we get a rematch and even more sh*t talking from both Wilder and Fury.

I can't even celebrate with good conscience the Gvozdyk KO of Stevenson bc he's in a medically induced coma at this moment, that last barrage of unanswered punches left him with a brain hemorrhage. But I will say there is no universe in which Stevenson could've or should've been leading on two judges cards, as he was getting thoroughly outboxed in almost every round except for maybe two. He landed literally one of his trademark lefts.

Overall, a great night of fights.
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Wish I could have watched. Had to go to a Christmas party... [frown]
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Helluva fight, but I can't remember the last time I saw a guy score two knockdowns and only get a draw. Those judges must've had some of that legal dro in California.

For Fury to get up from that last one...wow. Most guys would've stayed down and a lot of refs would've stopped it. Now we get a rematch and even more sh*t talking from both Wilder and Fury.

I can't even celebrate with good conscience the Gvozdyk KO of Stevenson bc he's in a medically induced coma at this moment, that last barrage of unanswered punches left him with a brain hemorrhage. But I will say there is no universe in which Stevenson could've or should've been leading on two judges cards, as he was getting thoroughly outboxed in almost every round except for maybe two. He landed literally one of his trademark lefts.

Overall, a great night of fights.


Fury got up like the damn undertaker on that last one....

I tell you what though i kinda feel like Wilder only won the 2 rounds he knocked him down which means he woulda lost the fight... but its boxing.... ya know.

I didnt see the Stevenson fight wow didnt even know it was that bad going to go check that out
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Fury got up like the damn undertaker on that last one....

I tell you what though i kinda feel like Wilder only won the 2 rounds he knocked him down which means he woulda lost the fight... but its boxing.... ya know.

I didnt see the Stevenson fight wow didnt even know it was that bad going to go check that out


Honestly, I didn't see a clear cut winner, which to me meant those knockdowns would've given him the win.

I really have to watch it again when it's on Showtime next weekend. Fury moved well for a big ox but I didn't see a demonstrably greater amount of punch output.

The Stevenson fight...you would've been impressed with Gvozdyk and his style. Moved well, jabbed and countered effectively and closed the show the moment Stevenson looked stunned. Feel bad for the guy as he is fighting for his life, but he avoided fighters like this for years and finally couldn't. It caught up to him - hard - and his career is likely over.

That fight went a lot like Usyk-Bellew. Both Ukrainian (bad idea to call them Russian way I understand it) and very disciplined and methodical. Move better than you'd think, sting you with stiff shots and move in like lions if you tire.

3 of the 4 LH champs are either Ukrainian or Chechen. Not too sure Kovalev will win his old belt back in the Alvarez rematch. Storm is the fastest light heavyweight by far.

Watch out for this kid Nikita Ababiy at middleweight. Was on the US national team and just went pro. Has fought twice in the last two months, his first 2 fights as a pro actually, both were 1st round KO's. Blazing speed. His nickname White Chocolate is a bit silly but in the ring there's zero clowning.
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I will go watch the last few rounds of the Stevenson fight.
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I will go watch the last few rounds of the Stevenson fight.


I'd like to hear your opinion. Watched the fight again Sunday morning before Bucs game and I'm still flummoxed at how 2 judges had Stevenson ahead at the time of stoppage. One had it by a wide margin too.
IMO he won 2 rounds at best, maybe a 3rd one if you were being generous.
He tried to load up all fight to uncork that left while Gvozdyk kept jabbing and moving, piling up points, and waiting for the inevitable crack in endurance most guys suffer against the diligent, hard punching types like Gvozdyk, Usyk, Beterbiev, Lomachenko, others in that same mold.
When he did land, he almost knocked him down - ropes saved his fall - but he rebounded quickly and made the round close.
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My future with DAZN will greatly depend on the announcements for the next Canelo match on May 4 and the Joshua match on April 13. After Canelo got the softest of possible soft touches on Saturday I don't want them to try and book him for a David Lemieux match at some catchweight that Lemieux will have to kill himself to get to. 
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My future with DAZN will greatly depend on the announcements for the next Canelo match on May 4 and the Joshua match on April 13. After Canelo got the softest of possible soft touches on Saturday I don't want them to try and book him for a David Lemieux match at some catchweight that Lemieux will have to kill himself to get to. 


wow call me out of touch, who did Canelo fight last weekend?
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wow call me out of touch, who did Canelo fight last weekend?


Some guy who apparently had one of the belts at super middleweight, Rocky Fielding. Csnelo was much shorter so he walloped him with body shots. Dude went down 4x before ref stopped it in the 3rd.

Lemieux had to bail on his fight Saturday bc apparently he couldn't make weight and ended up hospitalized for dehydration. Really didn't think he'd be in line for a Canelo fight but anything is possible. Alvarez intends to drop back to middle as it is.
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As long as Oscar is wearing the panty hose we'll have to expect to be disappointed.

Jacobs was in there trying to kiss up and get that Cinco de Mayo fight but I dunno. 

Maybe he'll stay at 168 and fight Callum Smith....LOL....yeah right. 

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As long as Oscar is wearing the panty hose we'll have to expect to be disappointed.

Jacobs was in there trying to kiss up and get that Cinco de Mayo fight but I dunno. 

Maybe he'll stay at 168 and fight Callum Smith....LOL....yeah right. 



I agree that DLH is a BS artist, but aren't all the big promoters just shameless sideshow barkers at their core? And is he even the worst of the blowhards? Every time I've seen that Eddie Hearn cat flapping his gums on DAZN, I can't help but think he's full of it too. I've seen serial killers with more sincerity.

What blows me away is how these guys can have a ton on money on the table to fight, but they end up walking away for other reasons. Joshua-Wilder should've gone down by now, but they and their respective management teams quibble over location, ring entrance order, etc. Whatever happened to 'everybody has a price'?

No one really wants any part of Jacobs but he has no one left to tangle with but the big names such as GGG, Canelo, Jermall Charlo. So yeah, all the champs.

Canelo would have an easier time with the contenders at super middle but it seems he's puffed up at that class. But now that he's locked into a big money deal with DAZN, they're gonna want top shelf matchups or nobody will go beyond that one month free deal. He got his honeymoon gimme of poor overmatched Fielding but that was it. You don't sink that much money into someone without a hefty ROI.
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Oscar is currently way out ahead as the worst of the bunch mostly because he knows the fights he can put on with Canelo will definitely preserve the sport and he's not going to go out of his way to do them

Hearn is equally as bad for pulling the garbage he is with Joshua but thankfully Wilder and Fury were smart enough to take the risk of fighting each other knowing if they worked hard and put on a good fight they could do it again for more money. Joshua can hold all the alphabet belts he wants, the winner of the second Fury-Wilder fight is the champion in the people's eyes as long as Joshua keeps fighting weak mandatory. 

And Saturday that Charlo decision was a disgrace. C'mon boxing, get your stuff together!

 

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Boxing sucks. Case in point:

Pssy Anthony Joshua ducking Deonte Wilder. And. Pssy Deonte Wilder ducking Anthony Joshua.
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It's at best debatable, at worst purely ignorant to say Deonte Wilder is ducking anyone. Especially after he just fought the undefeated lineal heavyweight champion. It's rich coming from a midget that would surely run through woods if he had to face either one of the guys he called a cat.

Wilder is looking for big money and PPV notoriety, so he's not turning down anything that can get him both.

You are probably best served going back to the kiddie board and discussing the wall or killing little brown kids or whatever y'all are talking about these days.

 

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It's at best debatable, at worst purely ignorant to say Deonte Wilder is ducking anyone. Especially after he just fought the undefeated lineal heavyweight champion. It's rich coming from a midget that would surely run through woods if he had to face either one of the guys he called a cat.

Wilder is looking for big money and PPV notoriety, so he's not turning down anything that can get him both.

You are probably best served going back to the kiddie board and discussing the wall or killing little brown kids or whatever y'all are talking about these days.

 



Been watching "good" boxing since you were pooping your diapers. My post was a statement on the pathetic state of boxing for the last 25 years. How long did it take for Pacquio and Mayweather to fight? 8 years? How long will it take for Joshua and Wilder to fight? Wilder will be in his mid 30s and past his prime when they finally fight.

I know you were watching Ninja Turtles and power rangers back then, but there was a time when fighters actually fought each other. Hagler-Hearns, Hagler-Leonard, Leonard-Hearns, Duran-Leonard, Tyson v. Everyone, Ali vs. everyone (over and over), Holmes v. everyone, etc. 

The last 25 years have been about strategic ducking until you feel your opponent has passed his prime.
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Wilder is in his mid-30s now you moron. 

You're so ignorant. Leonard ducked Hagler for five years. He actually "retired" in 1982 because he didn't want to fight him. Of course you don't know that because you don't have a clue of what you are talking about. 

Like said. There's plenty of other things that you might actually know something about on message boards all around the inter webs. You should start searching. 

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This might be a good time to redefine 'ducking'.

Neither Wilder nor Joshua have declined to fight the other out of fear of the other man's abilities. That's unrealistic; they've both seen the other fight substandard fights and each man probably thought he could win.

And I don't think they're treating this fight like a deadly virus as far as money goes. They would both rake in legitimate money, though I have no clue about who gets what percentage of the pot.

They're likely putting it off as long as they can to fuel interest, which in turn leads to more dough. (And by 'they', I mean their management and promotional affiliates.)

It's been this way for awhile. And it will stay this way as long as the sport lacks a single unifying body of governance...which is to say it will likely stay this way until long after I'm sniffing a pine lid.

PS: I don't recall ever hearing about SRL avoiding Hagler. But I could get behind this bc for a time Hagler was death incarnate. Babies cried in his presence. Leonard muscled up big time for that fight when it did happen and Hagler was not prepared for the combo of power and speed that he came in with. I watched that fight quite a few times and thought Leonard did edge him -- and I loathed him at the time.
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Wilder is in his mid-30s now you moron. 

You're so ignorant. Leonard ducked Hagler for five years. He actually "retired" in 1982 because he didn't want to fight him. Of course you don't know that because you don't have a clue of what you are talking about. 

Like said. There's plenty of other things that you might actually know something about on message boards all around the inter webs. You should start searching. 



Leonard and Hagler were also in vastly different weight classes for most of their careers moron. Leonard was a welterweight (147) and Hagler was a middleweight (160). The bout would not have worked when they were in the early parts of their careers. And Wilder is 33. By the time they fight he'll be 35 of 36. My point exactly. Just stop making yourself sound stupid. Go cover the Lightning because you know squat about boxing. [wink] 
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This might be a good time to redefine 'ducking'.

Neither Wilder nor Joshua have declined to fight the other out of fear of the other man's abilities. That's unrealistic; they've both seen the other fight substandard fights and each man probably thought he could win.

And I don't think they're treating this fight like a deadly virus as far as money goes. They would both rake in legitimate money, though I have no clue about who gets what percentage of the pot.

They're likely putting it off as long as they can to fuel interest, which in turn leads to more dough. (And by 'they', I mean their management and promotional affiliates.)

It's been this way for awhile. And it will stay this way as long as the sport lacks a single unifying body of governance...which is to say it will likely stay this way until long after I'm sniffing a pine lid.

PS: I don't recall ever hearing about SRL avoiding Hagler. But I could get behind this bc for a time Hagler was death incarnate. Babies cried in his presence. Leonard muscled up big time for that fight when it did happen and Hagler was not prepared for the combo of power and speed that he came in with. I watched that fight quite a few times and thought Leonard did edge him -- and I loathed him at the time.


Agree with you on Leonard-Hagler. But, respectfully, Wilder and Joshua should have fought last year. 
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The MMA card was pretty good last night.  Marduk I should have hit you up but you were probably home bodied... met up with CT, VSM then JD showed up drunk off his rockers being driven by his 18 year old savior of a son (Had to do it to you JD LMAO) at Irish 31 at Westshore which is the best kept secret for fight nights as its not really that crowded.

Nunes sits on all her punches and uses all those thighs and a** to deliver killer blows.

JJ is still JJ roided up or not is is probably the most talented fighter in UFC... Too bad that isht took away 2 to 3 years of his prime.
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It was great seeing everyone. Peezy, we go there for almost every UFC fight. I know you have young ones, but get some more hall passes if you can. 😉

and ...


Had two whisky on the rocks. Certainly wasn't drunk. Was tired from a long day of working out, putting furniture together, and watching wayy too much football 😉.

Happy New Year everyone. Be safe and healthy.

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Nah, JD wasn't that drunk.  It was just funny his son was the DD LOL.  The real drunk was CT's neighbor whom if we had stayed there any longer would have got us kicked out... He did get kicked out for smelling a stripper LOL.

Hall passes are not as easy for me as they were in the past... The wife started a new career this year.  Those Child protection days were hell and glad she is done with it.  But now she is going into nursing and works 7 to 7 days... If she works I got the girls and no duty is more important to me than dad duty.
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The MMA card was pretty good last night.  Marduk I should have hit you up but you were probably home bodied... met up with CT, VSM then JD showed up drunk off his rockers being driven by his 18 year old savior of a son (Had to do it to you JD LMAO) at Irish 31 at Westshore which is the best kept secret for fight nights as its not really that crowded.

Nunes sits on all her punches and uses all those thighs and a** to deliver killer blows.

JJ is still JJ roided up or not is is probably the most talented fighter in UFC... Too bad that isht took away 2 to 3 years of his prime.


You should have let me know you were going. I live 5-10 minutes from the mall.
I don't have kids so I am seldom on lockdown. And I helped my mom get back home after she spent a week in rehab following knee replacement surgery, so I was ready to get out. Instead I passed out early.

I caught the fights the next day. Little surprised Nunes put Cyborg to bed but it was inevitable someday that she would get outslugged. Just didn't think it would happen this soon.

Jones is just a bad man. Period. Don't know how much the juice facilitates his destruction of his opponents, but he's not to be taken lightly. His most dangerous adversary is himself.
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Marduk, that's where we always are. Irish31 at the mall. Never too crowded. Lots of TVs.
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You should have let me know you were going. I live 5-10 minutes from the mall.
I don't have kids so I am seldom on lockdown. And I helped my mom get back home after she spent a week in rehab following knee replacement surgery, so I was ready to get out. Instead I passed out early.

I caught the fights the next day. Little surprised Nunes put Cyborg to bed but it was inevitable someday that she would get outslugged. Just didn't think it would happen this soon.

Jones is just a bad man. Period. Don't know how much the juice facilitates his destruction of his opponents, but he's not to be taken lightly. His most dangerous adversary is himself.


My Bad man.
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We miss you Marduk!!

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We miss you Marduk!!


Likewise amigo. Next time y'all go up there let me know and I'll be sure to make it.

Strange days indeed when I see JD the younger more than you. I'm at Robinson on Fridays and occasionally I see him sprint past me.
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Yes Ray Leonard faked a retirement in 1982 to avoid a Marvin Hagler fight. He fought in April or May of 1982 and defended his title in a pretty soft touch fight but had his retina detached in the process. He has surgery, is green lit to resume his career and invites Hagler, Ali and a bunch of dudes to this presser in 1982 where everyone (Hagler) thinks he's going to announce this big fight. Instead he goes through a long spiel about how a fight with Hagler would be the greatest thing but it will never happen.

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/10/sports/leonard-retires-from-ring.html is the actual retirement story.

I couldn't find the audio version JD so you might want to have one of your kids read it to you.

There's a better explanation of the real backstory here: http://fightgameblog.com/2017/07/throwback-thursday-video-sugar-ray-leonard-retires/

An odd side note is Aaron Pryor claims that he had signed to fight Leonard in the fall of 1982 and the injury derailed that fight. Hard to say if that's true because Pryor had been angling for a Leonard fight for about 2-3 years and throwing around the story that he used to beat him up in workouts and sparring and Olympic tryouts and everything else. Luckily for Pryor he was able to get Alexis Arguello as a replacement.

Either way Ray Leonard knew he was the superstar and could have any fight he wanted at any time so I'm sure there was some mental work on Hagler being done that day.

Hagler, two years later, gets the Hearns fight, gets the big knockout, becomes the big star, gets the Right Guard commercials and then a fight that would have paid about $3 million in 1982 or 1983 paid them about $20 million each in 1987. So end of the day, Leonard did him a massive favor. 

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