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I thought he was done.

Ortiz had him out on his feet but couldn't close the show, so DW showed heart, soul, spine and sack to come back and throttle the bigger, stronger Cuban.

But in no galaxy other than this one would he have been ahead on all 3 cards at the time of TKO. No fornicating way. Ortiz had taken 6-7 solid rounds before getting starched. I don't see how anyone with functioning vision could've given him more than a couple close ones. He stayed away from Ortiz until he ran out of gas (or maybe his fudged real age caught up w/him).

That said, Anthony Joshua is a superior fighter in almost all aspects and should beat Wilder if he gets past Parker in a few weeks. That's assuming the fight gets done...DW is right to dictate that the fight happen in the US because that's where the money will be. 

The HBO card was good but far less eventful. Bivol is a legitimate assassin and finally wore down Barrera in the final round. He may come out of all this with every belt. Kovalev pretty much did what Kovalev does, seek and destroy. The other poor Russian guy looked like Rocky after the first Apollo Creed fight, even though he had no quit in him. Ref had mercy on him and his bloody, swollen face.

Please for the love of all that is good, Lord, let Badou Jack take out Stevenson for avoiding anyone and everyone for the past few years. I'm over that charlatan.

Peezy or anyone else, give me your thoughts on the Saturday card. And yes, I did manage to scour Kodi for a working link to UFC, but there wasn't much to say about that...Cyborg just needs to fight grown men 'cos I don't see any women beating her.
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THAT is why I love Heavyweight fights... They literally can change at anytime on one punch... VSM and I agree that there is no way Wilder was ahead on the cards at the time of stoppage.  I did not see the fight live but VSM was giving me play by play as I was driving LOL and you should have heard him when the fight turned LOL.

I only watched a few minutes of the HBO card... Once I realized SK was not fighting any one of note it was a mute point.

Did not see UFC but agree with the Cyborg... Her and Ann Wolfe should pull a Floyd and Connor and meet in the ring.
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THAT is why I love Heavyweight fights... They literally can change at anytime on one punch... VSM and I agree that there is no way Wilder was ahead on the cards at the time of stoppage.  I did not see the fight live but VSM was giving me play by play as I was driving LOL and you should have heard him when the fight turned LOL.

I only watched a few minutes of the HBO card... Once I realized SK was not fighting any one of note it was a mute point.

Did not see UFC but agree with the Cyborg... Her and Ann Wolfe should pull a Floyd and Connor and meet in the ring.


The fact that you, I and VSM agreed on something boxing related is as rare as a total solar eclipse. I thought Wilder was horribly unremarkable for the majority of the fight, spending large chunks of it either staying out of reach or throwing wild, looping punches. I watched it again between household chores Sunday, first few rounds in the morning and the rest around dinnertime...same result. King Kong took 6, maybe 7 rounds, solidly, and the round he had Wilder lollipopping around the ring could've been a 10-8 round even w/o a knockdown.

Not lost on me was the irony of his weight...the way it was presented, coming in at 214 was supposed to be a deficiency. Turns out his conditioning might've won it for him.

Kovalev fight was basically a tuneup for whoever comes after. HBO tried to sell Mikhalkin as a 'slick southpaw'. A for effort, F- on the actual product. He couldn't avoid many punches. 

At this point, the top guys at LH need to be fighting each other and not wasting time. Let all the Russians -- Kovalev, Bivol, Gvozdyk, Beterbiev -- fight each other. Those are money fights. No one gives a sh*t about belts anymore because all the governing bodies are putrid and run by vermin.

No need to watch the Cyborg fight, my friend...all you need to know is that it ended fast, in round 1. She popped her and dropped her. Most commercials last longer than that fight did. Her fights are the MMA version of a hit song: don't bore us, get to the chorus.

You probably have read by now that Canelo tested positive for some illegal substance but blamed it on bad Mexican meat. I'm gonna stop there and let you insert the punchline.


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Yeah we all agree on that 10-8 non knockdown round too.  If they had given Wilder the fight on a decision it would have been another black eye on boxing (if the fight continued as it was).

Oh and Canelo should have his own thread LMAO... Bad Mexican Meat... yeah I am going to use that next time.
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Wilder won the fight but took some punishment. This, to me, was a fight not entirely dissimilar to Bradley-Provodnikov or the Kovalev-Ward fights. Bradley was never the same; Ward looked at where he was and rightfully decided he really had nothing left to prove. He has money and most brain cells still functioning, and although not a fan I would've pulled for him to school Stevenson and unite the belts.

I have this bad feeling, kinda like when I ate too many ribs at Sonny's back in '11 and ended up with an emergency appendectomy the next morning, that Wilder-Joshua won't get done. Promoters and pride will prove to be potholes, even though as I've said it should be a layup to make this fight in Vegas (or in NYC at MSG or Barclays?) before the end of the year.

Bad Mexican Meat. That would make a great name for a band. Or a movie starring Salma Hayek.

I don't think this will affect the Triple G rematch, though...too much money riding on it and Canelo has said he will move camp to CA immediately and willingly submit to testing. And it's apparently happened to other Mexican fighters as well. I think the actual levels in his blood corresponded more to accidental/unwitting ingestion than to actual juicing for competitive gain. Lack of known masking agents is also a factor in his favor.
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I was along that same line that Cheat-Nelo and GGG would happen regardless until I was reminded that NSAC sent Tyson-Lewis packing to Memphis and even with the inflation rates that fight was way way way more financial viable than this one. I've never thought Canelo was on the up and up and we aren't stupid -- he spends 90% of his time speaking perfect English in California so the Mexican meat is some BS. End of the day it's on Team Canelo to prove his food and drink selections were purposely spiked. Good luck with that.
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I was along that same line that Cheat-Nelo and GGG would happen regardless until I was reminded that NSAC sent Tyson-Lewis packing to Memphis and even with the inflation rates that fight was way way way more financial viable than this one. I've never thought Canelo was on the up and up and we aren't stupid -- he spends 90% of his time speaking perfect English in California so the Mexican meat is some BS. End of the day it's on Team Canelo to prove his food and drink selections were purposely spiked. Good luck with that.


I still don't see this fight being postponed. Time passes, things change...Tyson-Lewis was exactly what we thought it would be, which was a dumpster fire, and Alvarez-Golovkin in LV on Cinco de Mayo is a whole different beast whether or not the money is a factor.

Canelo would've been better off claiming he took clenbuterol for its original purpose, which is a breathing treatment medicine, a bronchodilator. I too doubt that he got it from a ribeye in Guadalajara or whatever but I don't see that Nevada athletic commission all of a sudden being staunch defenders of moral purity this late in the game.

If he has tested negative since the initial positives, they'll scold him a little maybe and then chuckle as they decline to suspend him. And then everyone will go out for buffet at the Bellagio.
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I'm at the point where I'll be surprised if he isn't suspended. When people like Iole and Rafael and others that are far more embedded in the commissions than I am say that there's a very good chance he'll be suspended that's enough for me.

HBO stopped marketing it. Today the MGM announced full refunds "in case of suspension". My grounds people in LV said that the main billboard on the strip was removed last week.

This isn't happening. And it's not a big deal to Vegas. Even if Tyson-Lewis was a dumpster fire. Tyson taking a dump on the sidewalk is more valuable to Vegas than both of those guys combined. They will survive two non-Americans fighting in a unification fight. Probably more focused on getting Anthony Joshua to commit to a fight there this year or next. 


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I'm at the point where I'll be surprised if he isn't suspended. When people like Iole and Rafael and others that are far more embedded in the commissions than I am say that there's a very good chance he'll be suspended that's enough for me.


HBO stopped marketing it. Today the MGM announced full refunds "in case of suspension". My grounds people in LV said that the main billboard on the strip was removed last week.

This isn't happening. And it's not a big deal to Vegas. Even if Tyson-Lewis was a dumpster fire. Tyson taking a dump on the sidewalk is more valuable to Vegas than both of those guys combined. They will survive two non-Americans fighting in a unification fight. Probably more focused on getting Anthony Joshua to commit to a fight there this year or next.



I'll believe it if or when it happens. It's hard these days for me to buy into anything in professional sports that looks on the surface to be a layup.

Perhaps you haven't been to Vegas any time recently...this isn't about whether or not these 2 guys can or can not bring in more money than Tyson or anyone else. When you use the quote 'valuable to Vegas', you need to be very, very aware that ANYTHING these days is valuable to a town that has seen a noticeable drop in tourism and its concomitant gambling revenues over the last decade or so. This is why many of the hotels have shifted their focus somewhat to becoming culinary destinations, opening restaurants that are cobranded with celebrity chefs. And they've undergone a massive expansion of the convention center to attract corporate business, trade shows, comic-cons, etc.

Certainly you remember the level of revelry that the Mayweather-Hatton fight brought with all the Brits and expat RH supporters? This is that plus more. And Canelo doesn't even enjoy total support among the Mexican/Hispanic crowd...many prefer GGG because he 'fights like a Mexican' even more.

Boxing, more than any other sport, is lorded over by more sham oversight entities, and that includes so-called governmental ones. If the NSAC does ultimately scotch this fight -- and I'm still not convinced of this in spite of what guys like Rafael who are juiced in are saying -- all they are doing is kicking the can down the road for a couple of months.

Canelo would get a year suspension, which with compliance would likely be reduced to 6 months, and then he fights again on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This is a punishment? More like a time out given to a naughty middle schooler for farting during silent reading.

If his dope levels are consistent with that of accidental ingestion, I don't see how they have a leg to stand on with regard to issuing a suspension. Everything about their policy is open to bending; that's why it's a guideline and not a law. 

Guess we'll find out in a week. Golovkin would have a hard time finding a suitable opponent on such short notice, although I wouldn't mind seeing him beat up Saunders. I don't think he wants any part of a rematch with Jacobs bc that kid gave him the best fight anyone has, and IMO stands a better chance of outpointing him than Alvarez.

On a different note...after Saturday's borefest I don't see Joshua coming over here. Leonard Ellerbe tweeted out shortly thereafter something to the same effect and he's right. AJ and Wilder can and will bark at each other about fighting in the US vs the UK, and I really have no idea right now whose argument would be better. I'd love to hear your take on this...hard to imagine any scenario in which Wilder-Joshua happens anywhere in the next year.

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Boring but AJ showed his true boxing skills... Hate to say it but I could see AJ outboxing DW and frustrating him until DW gets wreckless... The fight should end in KO because Wilder is the type to go out on his shield so either he goes or he puts AJ down.
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Boring but AJ showed his true boxing skills... Hate to say it but I could see AJ outboxing DW and frustrating him until DW gets wreckless... The fight should end in KO because Wilder is the type to go out on his shield so either he goes or he puts AJ down.


Dude...after Saturday I don't know what his 'true boxing skills' are. He was a warrior against Klitschko and the paragon of mediocrity against Parker. I haven't seen that sort of divergent personality issue since the movie Split.

Theoretically, AJ should've tucked the guy in and had the corner throw in a blanket and pillow. But Parker, to his credit, was unorthodox AF and never really took a clean blast.

Parker got in a lot of jabs in the fight, albeit ones that did zero damage. Wilder, with his reach and power, could do the same thing except he'd land more, he'd score more, and he'd win. But he's another one...which fighter would show up, we just can't say.

I'd bet there's a greater chance of both of them fighting someone else next. Maybe Ortiz gets a run at Joshua. He doesn't seem to care who he fights or where as long as there's a paycheck.
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Well he kept Parker at the jab and boxed him for 12... It was quite the contrast in styles I will say but it was boxing 101.

As for Wilder... C'mon man go watch his last 3 fights.. Hell watch all of them if you want and tell me how many times he actually uses that reach advantage aka the Jab.. Wilder does not like to Jab he goes power shots which is cool and fun to watch but he is a 6'7 fighter that fights like he is 6'0.  Much like Paul Williams when he was the tallest Welterweight at 6'2 and not afraid to let his hands flight yet he NEVER used his jab or reach advantage. 
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Well he kept Parker at the jab and boxed him for 12... It was quite the contrast in styles I will say but it was boxing 101.

As for Wilder... C'mon man go watch his last 3 fights.. Hell watch all of them if you want and tell me how many times he actually uses that reach advantage aka the Jab.. Wilder does not like to Jab he goes power shots which is cool and fun to watch but he is a 6'7 fighter that fights like he is 6'0.  Much like Paul Williams when he was the tallest Welterweight at 6'2 and not afraid to let his hands flight yet he NEVER used his jab or reach advantage. 


I don't think he just decided to box him by choice. He tried to land big shots but couldn't. Parker had good movement but his ability to land was minimal. You can't tell me AJ didn't want to preserve his KO streak, and I certainly figured that if he could finish Vlad he could obliterate the far less lethal New Zealander.

Both Wilder and Joshua have some flaws in their game and right now I could not say for certain who I'd favor to win. Honestly I fear a snoozefest because both would be wary of each other's power...it's happened too often at HW, guys pawing at each other for 12 rounds for fear of getting hit by an incoming missile.
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I'll believe it if or when it happens. It's hard these days for me to buy into anything in professional sports that looks on the surface to be a layup.

Perhaps you haven't been to Vegas any time recently...this isn't about whether or not these 2 guys can or can not bring in more money than Tyson or anyone else. When you use the quote 'valuable to Vegas', you need to be very, very aware that ANYTHING these days is valuable to a town that has seen a noticeable drop in tourism and its concomitant gambling revenues over the last decade or so. This is why many of the hotels have shifted their focus somewhat to becoming culinary destinations, opening restaurants that are cobranded with celebrity chefs. And they've undergone a massive expansion of the convention center to attract corporate business, trade shows, comic-cons, etc.

Certainly you remember the level of revelry that the Mayweather-Hatton fight brought with all the Brits and expat RH supporters? This is that plus more. And Canelo doesn't even enjoy total support among the Mexican/Hispanic crowd...many prefer GGG because he 'fights like a Mexican' even more.

Boxing, more than any other sport, is lorded over by more sham oversight entities, and that includes so-called governmental ones. If the NSAC does ultimately scotch this fight -- and I'm still not convinced of this in spite of what guys like Rafael who are juiced in are saying -- all they are doing is kicking the can down the road for a couple of months.

Canelo would get a year suspension, which with compliance would likely be reduced to 6 months, and then he fights again on Mexican Independence Day weekend. This is a punishment? More like a time out given to a naughty middle schooler for farting during silent reading.

If his dope levels are consistent with that of accidental ingestion, I don't see how they have a leg to stand on with regard to issuing a suspension. Everything about their policy is open to bending; that's why it's a guideline and not a law. 

Guess we'll find out in a week. Golovkin would have a hard time finding a suitable opponent on such short notice, although I wouldn't mind seeing him beat up Saunders. I don't think he wants any part of a rematch with Jacobs bc that kid gave him the best fight anyone has, and IMO stands a better chance of outpointing him than Alvarez.

On a different note...after Saturday's borefest I don't see Joshua coming over here. Leonard Ellerbe tweeted out shortly thereafter something to the same effect and he's right. AJ and Wilder can and will bark at each other about fighting in the US vs the UK, and I really have no idea right now whose argument would be better. I'd love to hear your take on this...hard to imagine any scenario in which Wilder-Joshua happens anywhere in the next year.


Fight Canceled... In other news Marduk says he will believe when the day after the fight is supposed to happen they still haven't shown up to the ring

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2018/04/03/canelo-alvarez-withdraws-rematch-gennady-golovkin-after-failed-drug-test/482969002/
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Fight Canceled... In other news Marduk says he will believe when the day after the fight is supposed to happen they still haven't shown up to the ring

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2018/04/03/canelo-alvarez-withdraws-rematch-gennady-golovkin-after-failed-drug-test/482969002/


Pump your brakes there, Jeff Gordon...he jumped before he could be pushed. If they suspend him now, it will carry less force because he voluntarily bailed on the fight without waiting for the axe to fall.

I still think this is a sleight of hand move to some extent. Ramps up the hype and controversy some more -- cos it could've used it, let's be honest, since neither of these cats are the Macho Man or the Nature Boy -- and lines up the rescheduling for Sept. 15 (a Saturday, of course), the beginning of Mexican Independence Day weekend.

Yes, I am that cynical--because I know these cats are not above practicing sophistry and manipulation. And the public will bend over and pull its pants down again.

In a nation that is fascinated by bullsh*t artists like the Kardashians, the Ball family, and our president, why would anyone be perplexed by the notion of this all being at least partially orchestrated?
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They were going to suspend him anyway. They made it pretty clear it doesn't if he ate bad meat (lol) or not, he's responsible for what he puts in his body. Surely that had to throw Saul for a whirl since no one's ever told the big baby he has to be accountable for something or Oscar, C.J. Ross or Adalaie Byrd couldn't fix for him. 

In all likelihood the fight will happen in September and for GGG's sake it should. He's the only legitimate champion and frankly he deserves the cash and the victory that he should have been awarded the first time. In a perfect world GGG would tell him to f-off, fight Billy Joe Saunders to unify the middleweight title in late June/July, probably fill a big house in Europe and fight on his own schedule. Unfortunately Billy Joe Saunders and Frank Warren are just as shady as I'm almost positive he's goldbricking a hand injury to get around a test himself. But in a perfect world they would fight in front of 30-40K somewhere in Europe and GGG could hold up a finger and tell Saul that if he wants it, come to Europe and get these hands. That would be a great reversal of roles. 

Anthony Joshua fight was really boring. I don't necessarily blame him but I don't think he was in a rush to pressure Parker either. Good thing about Wilder is he is so aggressive and leaves himself so open you have no choice but to let your hands go. 

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Yeah Wilder is wreckless which is a really good thing for the prospects of this fight.  The only fight I thought Wilder held back was Berman Stiverne part 1 but there were a lot of big blows thrown and landed then too. 
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Wilder is a bit wild (no pun intended) but Joshua doesn't exactly have an impenetrable defense. I have to wonder if DW will be able to patch up this hole in his style or if he and his trainers even care to do so.

Anyone catch the fights on Saturday? I missed the Showtime card, for 3 big reasons:

1) I'm getting too old to stay up past 10:30 unless the fights are likely to be dynamite
2) Lara is an insanely boring fighter to watch
3) I had Chipotle for dinner

Wanted to watch SNL more than anything else but I DVR'd that too. Boseman/Cardi looked more interesting than the Shobox sh*tshow.
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Want to see a real heavyweight fight? Here it is...
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Wilder is a bit wild (no pun intended) but Joshua doesn't exactly have an impenetrable defense. I have to wonder if DW will be able to patch up this hole in his style or if he and his trainers even care to do so.

Anyone catch the fights on Saturday? I missed the Showtime card, for 3 big reasons:

1) I'm getting too old to stay up past 10:30 unless the fights are likely to be dynamite
2) Lara is an insanely boring fighter to watch
3) I had Chipotle for dinner

Wanted to watch SNL more than anything else but I DVR'd that too. Boseman/Cardi looked more interesting than the Shobox sh*tshow.


I got to watch SNL too and I have missed quite a few cards due to sleep deprivation. 
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True but we aren't going back in time so just going enjoy this minor excitement we are having now in the division. 
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Jesus palomino. I forgot what a war that Foreman-Lyle fight was. No way that fight lasts today as long as it did then. Ref would've stopped it much sooner...but in favor of whom, I can't say. Probably George.

We can do the house swap any time you say, Peezy. Right now we have 'houseguests'...2 adults, 3 girls (18,12,10) and another dog. Combine that w/myself and the missus, plus 3 Yorkies, and you have a house of horrors. No way your 2 toddlers are one-tenth as demanding and stressful as this crew.

These days I go to work to relax.
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